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Post by Emma on May 1, 2015 11:17:58 GMT
Why don't people do like we did in the days when Morrowind was "the" game. Each modder put their mods on their web site and would post links in various forums and that would be the end of it. Comments would be left on the announce or "wip" threads and there would be none of this sillyness of voting and rating. That's what I'm up to do. I've already created a blog; it's empty yet but I'm intended to load my mods over there and put a link to it in my signature. I'll shut off the various "liking" systems, if there are somes and just leave the comments available for visitors. Here is my blog; like I said it's empty but you can tell me what you think about the look of it! I have been linking to my web-site for years. People still go to Nexus for downloading mods. (In some cases to Steam as well, dunno, I never go there). I understand why you would want this to work. Sadly, it doesn't.
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Post by Emma on May 1, 2015 11:18:37 GMT
Because the new generation of modders think they can get rich from modding not realizing that although a few may reach that pinnacle of success, the majority will not. The way I see it maybe 1-2% of mod users will make actually create a mod worth enough money to be sold on Steam. I can't stand up-voting and down-voting, kudos and endorsements and likes and dislikes... I find it all nauseating. There is a lot of peer pressure in this system. If you wantr to make friends then you kind of have to start endorsing their comments or pictures and mods. I always say that a kind word is worth a thousand endorsements and I turn off the endorsement feature when I have the choice. Mods is a little different because of the time and effort that was put in and I think a good mod deserves and endorsement after a few months of play testing. These days when a mod is released they get 1-3 hundred endorsements in the first few days. it is impossible that the mods were played and tested to deserve an endorsement. The system id broken. It is the "LIKE" generation. This generation actually thinks this is important. There was a study 3-4 years back where psychologists found out that children were showing serious signs of depression based on not receiving enough "Likes" on Facebook. So we have a generation of young adults whose whole life is built on positive reinforcement in the form of a "like". It is really bizarre. I am lucky to have 4 brothers and sister so as much as I love the internet I don't value the "like" and "endorsements" as the rest of my peers and the younger generation behind me. I have learned that it is mostly a popularity contest and it means very little in the long run. Well...dang it...I usually hit a "like" here on posts, mostly as a way to let someone know that I have actually read the darn thing. Man...I didn't realize I was so totally inept and insecure... I need a HUG... LMBO, just kidding there Pink. *Hugs*
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Post by Emma on May 1, 2015 11:25:05 GMT
To anyone who has an indepth interest in this subject: here is a quite good interview on Youtube, but it is long: www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aavBAplp5AI realize that we probably will end up with paywalls for mods; it could even be that this is an inevitable change of course. But I do hope it won't be introduced for the existing, established games like Skyrim, FO3, Oblivion etc. These games already have their own foundations and their own established cultures for modding, and thesse cultures have existed for years. To throw in payed modding now would be like taking down the Colosseum of Rome with a bulldozer in order to build a skyscraper.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 13:19:56 GMT
I have been linking to my web-site for years. People still go to Nexus for downloading mods. (In some cases to Steam as well, dunno, I never go there). I understand why you would want this to work. Sadly, it doesn't. Why isn't it working? Does nobody download the mods you put on your site? I don't care if few people come to my site to download my mods; I don't want the Nexus or Workshop crowds to invade my small space.
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Post by Emma on May 1, 2015 13:31:39 GMT
They download it... from Nexus. My website normally has few visitors, like 20-30 per day I think (although when I checked the stats now, it was considerably higher, like 60 visits per day, probably because of the recent events and that it seems quite a few people have been quoting me all over the place).
I don't think it is possible to attract people to ones own site unless one market it somewhere, like Nexus or ES-boards.
TESA is IMO a VERY nice place; just wish it was more active (and that the uploading was less cumbersome)
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 14:32:56 GMT
They download it... from Nexus. Well, if your mods are on the Nexus why would they look for them elsewhere?
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Post by Emma on May 1, 2015 14:45:46 GMT
...and if they aren't on Nexus why would they look for them at all ? Nexus is after all the one-stop-shop for mods since early oblivion days. I do visit TESA, too, from time to time, but almost all the content there is also on Nexus anyway. Do I want Nexus to continue to be the most important place for mods? Well, what is the alternative? People always look for a one-stop-shop, and in that aspect the only competitor is Steam. Alright, this certainly means that I very much prefer Nexus.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 15:11:57 GMT
...and if they aren't on Nexus why would they look for them at all ? Nexus is after all the one-stop-shop for mods since early oblivion days. I do visit TESA, too, from time to time, but almost all the content there is also on Nexus anyway. Do I want Nexus to continue to be the most important place for mods? Well, what is the alternative? People always look for a one-stop-shop, and in that aspect the only competitor is Steam. Alright, this certainly means that I very much prefer Nexus. Creating a WIP/RELZ thread on the BS forums would expand your audience. The Nexus force people to create an account if they want to download even small mods (barely over 1mb). No wonder they are considered "popular"...
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 15:30:31 GMT
Because the new generation of modders think they can get rich from modding not realizing that although a few may reach that pinnacle of success, the majority will not. The way I see it maybe 1-2% of mod users will make actually create a mod worth enough money to be sold on Steam. I can't stand up-voting and down-voting, kudos and endorsements and likes and dislikes... I find it all nauseating. There is a lot of peer pressure in this system. If you wantr to make friends then you kind of have to start endorsing their comments or pictures and mods. I always say that a kind word is worth a thousand endorsements and I turn off the endorsement feature when I have the choice. Mods is a little different because of the time and effort that was put in and I think a good mod deserves and endorsement after a few months of play testing. These days when a mod is released they get 1-3 hundred endorsements in the first few days. it is impossible that the mods were played and tested to deserve an endorsement. The system id broken. It is the "LIKE" generation. This generation actually thinks this is important. There was a study 3-4 years back where psychologists found out that children were showing serious signs of depression based on not receiving enough "Likes" on Facebook. So we have a generation of young adults whose whole life is built on positive reinforcement in the form of a "like". It is really bizarre. I am lucky to have 4 brothers and sister so as much as I love the internet I don't value the "like" and "endorsements" as the rest of my peers and the younger generation behind me. I have learned that it is mostly a popularity contest and it means very little in the long run. Well...dang it...I usually hit a "like" here on posts, mostly as a way to let someone know that I have actually read the darn thing. Man...I didn't realize I was so totally inept and insecure... I need a HUG... LMBO, just kidding there Pink. FREE HUG DAY! ALL HUGS ARE FREE ALL DAY! @falion---> One free hug for you *hug* If facebook would replace the "like" button with a "hug" button I would buy in
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 15:33:54 GMT
As an active feminist, I have been involved in establishing equal opportunities for women in education and employment for the past decade. Simone de Beauvoir is a French cultural hero and is standard reading here in Quebec. I have read most of her published work. This Like thing as on Farcebook should make sapiens despair for our planet. What ever became of critical thinking? How did the masses come to such an impasse? Pavlov's dogs are slobbering, the bell replaced by a [LIKE} button. I'm sorry, you paleontologists, but you're wrong. The earth is still primarily populated by homo erectus. The pre frontal lobes are dormant and replaced by the pituitary gland in the males and the ovaries in the females. Is there a reset button? Ctrl-Alt-Del? I'd rather not see this program terminate by jamming something in the fan and watching the mess slowly cook itself to death. I think I need some Carlin tonight. You Are All Diseased sounds about right. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Too flappin funny
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 15:44:51 GMT
*Hugs* All hell... lets make it a threesome *hugs*
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 15:50:22 GMT
...and if they aren't on Nexus why would they look for them at all ? Nexus is after all the one-stop-shop for mods since early oblivion days. I do visit TESA, too, from time to time, but almost all the content there is also on Nexus anyway. Do I want Nexus to continue to be the most important place for mods? Well, what is the alternative? People always look for a one-stop-shop, and in that aspect the only competitor is Steam. Alright, this certainly means that I very much prefer Nexus. I wish there was another website that also had the Bethesda mod collection online. Nexus is almost a monopoly at this point... thing is the website is very user friendly and the picture share is a self promoting advertising machine. I can't believe other places like Moddb have not caught on to how the nexus picture share is such a key part of their success. At least I think it is.
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Post by Dova on May 1, 2015 16:23:35 GMT
To anyone who has an indepth interest in this subject: here is a quite good interview on Youtube, but it is long: www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aavBAplp5AI realize that we probably will end up with paywalls for mods; it could even be that this is an inevitable change of course. But I do hope it won't be introduced for the existing, established games like Skyrim, FO3, Oblivion etc. These games already have their own foundations and their own established cultures for modding, and thesse cultures have existed for years. To throw in payed modding now would be like taking down the Colosseum of Rome with a bulldozer in order to build a skyscraper. Can I be lazy and ask for a super brief summary of things that would be good to know?
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Post by jgf on May 1, 2015 17:37:00 GMT
Because the new generation of modders think they can get rich from modding not realizing that although a few may reach that pinnacle of success, the majority will not. The way I see it maybe 1-2% of mod users will make actually create a mod worth enough money to be sold on Steam. Modding has traditionally been done by those with ability and a love of the game. They did it for enjoyment and shared their creations with the community. It was a hobby. It was fun (even if occasionally irritating and frustrating). Ask anyone who has turned a hobby into a business, there comes a point when it ceases to be fun and becomes an obligation. Then creativity suffers and quality suffers. People who create for love and enjoyment produce a much different product than those who create for money. I can't stand up-voting and down-voting, kudos and endorsements and likes and dislikes... I find it all nauseating. There is a lot of peer pressure in this system. If you wantr to make friends then you kind of have to start endorsing their comments or pictures and mods. I know of no games sites, and few other sites, where voting, whether simple thumbs-up/thumbs-down or commentary, has proven egalitarian. It all too often degenerates into little cliques, mutual admiration societies, voting for each other and against everyone else; and comments sections are typically space wasting parades of emoticons - eight thumbs-up, five smiley faces, four woo-hoos, six flag waving, two winks, and a heart ...comprising one comment - or the ever popular juvenile, "could you make this in green, PLLEEEAAASSSE?". It is the "LIKE" generation. This generation actually thinks this is important. There was a study 3-4 years back where psychologists found out that children were showing serious signs of depression based on not receiving enough "Likes" on Facebook. ... Too many recent games play directly into the social aspect; not mult-player but the "share every move you make on Farcebook or Twitter" attitude. Many have built in menu buttons for these or, even worse, can automatically upload every screenshot or accomplishment to Farcebook or the game developer's site. This is turning computer games from an enjoyable pasttime to a frantic struggle for peer approval and adulation. And Steam actively fosters this with their "achievements", playing the game becomes secondary to finding six Dunce Caps or stepping in dragon poo a dozen times.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 18:07:38 GMT
Modding has traditionally been done by those with ability and a love of the game. They did it for enjoyment and shared their creations with the community. It was a hobby. It was fun (even if occasionally irritating and frustrating). Ask anyone who has turned a hobby into a business, there comes a point when it ceases to be fun and becomes an obligation. Then creativity suffers and quality suffers. People who create for love and enjoyment produce a much different product than those who create for money. I couldn't agree more.
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