WitchGirl Causing Crash?

[lukashisuphola]

First off even though you read it lots Emma, just want to say Thanks ;D for making such Fantastic mods, can't think of playing without least most of them.

Now the issue I been having all of a sudden with crashing on the Witchgirl quest where you go into The End of World Tavern, and have to help forget her name Thing-sumtin-sumtin, some times it won't crash right away and sometimes at all as long as I don't save and try and reload that save.

I read around on multiple things and also tried to make sure it was in fact this area/quest that was causing it, by playing previous saves and doing various things in them and was not experiencing any issues other then one time it said something about not being able to find a pant leg, think it is from a different mod (metal queen boutique) and read some where that should not be a big issue and the fact while I was trying to verify this being the issue I caused duplicate of at least(did not look to see if others were) Laura to appear, but read it not big deal just to use console and delete duplicates. Also read it may be local ref error, since I did not have CoM or Partners before, but read that these mods work fine together, more so of CoM obviously.

Any help of what could be causing this and how to fix would be greatly appreciated, as I love these mods and definitely love Morgan and do not want to even think of having to play without being able to develop further, or at Least definitely on my current play through and a Dot less on next playthrough.

[lukashisuphola]

Ohh and want to apoligize on how poorly written this may be and that I forgot what the pant leg error was exactly thought I wrote it down somewhere but guess I did not, but I remember reading the fact it should not be a big deal some where on Emma's old forum I think (just googled the issue and remember seeing Emma).

Been trying to solve this on my own and by looking through many things, but have had no success after a very Long time, and do not want to risk making things even worse.

[loriel]

Welcome to the new forum

Problem seems likely to be a mod clash, or a corrupt savegame (which may have resulted from a mod clash).

As you've had doubling problems with Laura, I suspect the problem(s) arose from adding/removing mods during an ongoing game.

Wrye Mash is fairly good at cleaning up savegame problems - probably worth trying that if you haven't done already.

Loriel

[lukashisuphola]

.. The doubling as said is from me trying to fix it Not something that already was an issue, so that can't be it, and I never add mods to on going, I think the doubling happened though because when I was trying to fix I messed around and found out that I screwed up with 2 mods and had both their esp, esm files on so turned off their esps, started game, but caused issues with Julan so went back turned them back on and will probaly have to turn them off again and mess with wyremash to try and fix since.

Also as said I am like 90% sure it has something to do with the Thing-sumtin-sumtin girl for WitchGirl Adventure just dont know if it is a Local ref thing, a odd issue with her, or what..

Thanks for the Welcoming and trying to help though.

[Emma]

Welcome to the new forum

Witchgirl was released in 2003, and has been used a lot, probably more than 20 000 people have played it by now. I've never heard reports of crashes in Dagon Fel related to the Thinguin.... (eh... I don't recall her name either right now ). It would also be odd if the problem was directly related to her, as she doesn't even have a complicated script.

So therefore I think it is safe to say this is a local problem in your computer, i.e. it's either because of a conflict with some other mod you are using, possibly but not necessarily a mod that affects Dagon Fel, or it has to do with that you have changed the mod loadorder by adding or removing a mod. You say you never add mods midgame, but you mentioned that you had removed a mod (dare I guess the esp for White Wolf of Lokken) and did some further testings in order to outrule the error messages related to Metal Queen Boutique.

The fact that you also mention that Laura has been doubled indicates that something indeed hs happened to your mod load order.

Now, you say that you sometimes manage to save but then get crashes on loading, am I correct about this? What does this error message say? To know this would be an important clue to understand what is causing the crashes.

Now, unfortunately I will be away from home during next week, so I'm not sure when I will be able to check back here, hopefully I'll have internet access at some point.

[blockhead]

one question: using quicksave? Bad idea, if so. Causes all sorts of unexpected problems.

Aside from that, I have no ideas.

[lukashisuphola]

Sept 4, 2010 8:19:59 GMT Emma said:

Welcome to the new forum

Witchgirl was released in 2003, and has been used a lot, probably more than 20 000 people have played it by now. I've never heard reports of crashes in Dagon Fel related to the Thinguin.... (eh... I don't recall her name either right now ). It would also be odd if the problem was directly related to her, as she doesn't even have a complicated script.

So therefore I think it is safe to say this is a local problem in your computer, i.e. it's either because of a conflict with some other mod you are using, possibly but not necessarily a mod that affects Dagon Fel, or it has to do with that you have changed the mod loadorder by adding or removing a mod. You say you never add mods midgame, but you mentioned that you had removed a mod (dare I guess the esp for White Wolf of Lokken) and did some further testings in order to outrule the error messages related to Metal Queen Boutique.

The fact that you also mention that Laura has been doubled indicates that something indeed hs happened to your mod load order.

Now, you say that you sometimes manage to save but then get crashes on loading, am I correct about this? What does this error message say? To know this would be an important clue to understand what is causing the crashes.

Now, unfortunately I will be away from home during next week, so I'm not sure when I will be able to check back here, hopefully I'll have internet access at some point.

Thanks for the welcome and again for these Fantastic Mods.
Also have this reply on Bethsoft Forum.

Lol I know you busy and everything, but.. you also basicaly saying what Loriel said basicaly.
I know it an odd issue and therefore I am not 100%, just was like 90% that it has to have SOMEthing to do with Thingequin girl as I did many tests on two differnt days and the crash issue ALWAYS happened after talking to her about the quest.

As for the The duplicating and everything as said quotes from myself, "While I Was trying to verify this being the issue I causeD duplicate of at least(did not look to see if others were) Laura to appear" & "turned off their esps, started game, but caused issues with Julan so went back turned them back On". AKA I had this issue Before causing this issue, I spent 1 of the two days of testing before causing this as to prevent confusion of what could be the current issue.

Though I do know that this duplicating is Another issue and that is why I asked in an email I sent you, sorry if you did not get it or are to busy both understandable that I asked to confirm that all I have to do is use console to delete duplicate(s) and then learn and use WyreMash to clean save, because this is what you told people or possibly just certain people. I do not want to try and fix this though until I can get this issue fixed.

If it said something special on crashes, I never seen it as all it does is Crash, and brings up the normal program not responding or w/e thing.


Ok on my 3rd day of testing (today of this message), it has gotten odder... though some of it seems to just be the duplicate issue. This is what happened: did my usual testing of doing random things (quick travel, fighting, talking, persuading, and trading) saved loaded=fine as always, then went to Thing-Ah Girl saved loaded=fine again as always talked to her about quest saved loaded=fine somehow, killed the 3 men to get her lute and had her follow me outside a while and do a couple fights then saved loaded=fine again somehow, used VSA to get to Vivec Foreign Qrt. then went to see if Laura was duplicated and to my surprize she was not saved loaded= laura duplicate appeared near her house as she was "suppose to be", I then kissed the real one, to see what would happen and she seemed to vanish and duplicate toke her place in following then looked around and saw real one standing ground had her follow save load=crash (understandably). I then repeated these 3 times and got same results UP TO the vivec area where duplicate was always by her shack again (which I understand is due to turning off and on esp file) and having her follow also caused crash on save load. I then tried another thing by becoming a criminal with Thing girl following me was fine other than the thing I assume is a minor issue: Laura Craft calling me a criminal (normal you are criminal dialogue from npcs).

Sorry I did not mention this possible issue here in your forum Emma or on the bethsoft forum, thought I did but only did with a differnt person I was trying to get help from. I assume and in some ways hope this is a minor thing of having Laura's dialogue saying she knows I am a criminal when I bring up conversation(I can do all the normal things with her) and not sure but on Morrowind's main quest where you have to rescue/get info from the one woman in the floating area she would not talk to me calling me a criminal (because I killed almost all the guards).

Enjoy your week out of your house and thanks again for the fantastic mods and any help.

[lukashisuphola]

I Never use quick save as I hate it and do not trust it etc... on games other than maybe some basic games like single player shooters or w/e where I think I may end up having to reload like entering a big fight or something, even then I might save if I did not have a auto save or w/e recently.

Also it might be important to read the possible issue I am also having on the last two paragraphs I replied to Emma.

[Emma]

Hi again .

As I think you can see for yourself when you read your posts, it is your save games that are not functioning as they should. Probably it is related to that you have removed mods from the load order (at least I know you have removed the esp-version of White Wolf of Lokken, as you had enabled both this and the esm-version, causing doubling).

Now, to try and rescue a dysfunctional save, Wrye Mash is the best solution. However, I am far from an expert on how to use this tool to clean saves. As I posted in the other thread, there are people visiting this forum that are very good at Wrye Mash functions, but the fastest way to get expert advice might still be to post at the Bethesda forum, where I know you are registred.

[lukashisuphola]

Just in case I did not make it clear, though it may not matter I turned it back ON aka it is ON Not oFF or removed and did NOT save after messing with it (turning it off and back ON) nor have I even been to the WhiteWolf area yet just read that it was bad to have them both on.

As for Save corruption what about the fact it would crash even if I did not save or load, Examples: loaded an old save, went to quest got her outside shot a cliffracer crashed, again did same thing and soon after talking to her crashed, again same thing with differnt save used your travel agency went to vivec walked around a while crashed etc... Or are these crashes possibly unrelated or something?

Thanks again though as I know this mod and game for that matgter is old and everything.

[lukashisuphola]

Also in case was not clear, I was having this issue BEFORE even touching the esp files as said:
1st day of testing with crashes WITHOUT even TOUCHING the esp/esm files.
2nd day of testing is when I Did turn OFF (not remove) the Esp files and Turned back ON.

[lukashisuphola]

Sept 5, 2010 16:38:29 GMT Emma said:

Hi again .

As I think you can see for yourself when you read your posts, it is your save games that are not functioning as they should. Probably it is related to that you have removed mods from the load order (at least I know you have removed the esp-version of White Wolf of Lokken, as you had enabled both this and the esm-version, causing doubling).

Now, to try and rescue a dysfunctional save, Wrye Mash is the best solution. However, I am far from an expert on how to use this tool to clean saves. As I posted in the other thread, there are people visiting this forum that are very good at Wrye Mash functions, but the fastest way to get expert advice might still be to post at the Bethesda forum, where I know you are registred.

Well I used WyreMash and I know you say you no expert in it but figured should post here also since I got bad results from using it and you will see another reason later. These are the results:

[18,3]
BAD REF>>REMATCHED 9 8 Qas_rocket_green 34
BAD REF>>REMATCHED 9 9 Qas_rocket_orange 34
BAD REF>>REMATCHED 9 10 Qas_rocket_red 34
BAD REF>>REMATCHED 9 11 Qas_rocket_yellow 34
BAD REF>>REMATCHED 9 12 Qas_rocket_blue 34
BAD REF>>REMATCHED 9 13 Qas_rocket_green 34

[7,22]
BAD REF>>REMATCHED 7 4 11AA_Belorn00000000 47
BAD REF>>NO MASTER 7 5 11AA_Laura00000000
BAD REF>>NO MASTER 7 8 aa_comp_constance00000000

[-3,-4]
BAD REF>>NO MASTER 34 332142 ex_shore_cliffracer_lev+2

Orphaned content records:
11AA_Laura00000000
aa_comp_constance00000000
cliff racer_diseased0000005A

Now it seems to have completly screwed Constance up..:

aa_con_recall, condrunk, contelepathy script, pcheckscript, stopconscript, global script aa_conalmdiv, and last the Crasher of no constance animation class.
There is also one that may not be constance, but probalby is or least one of your mods? 'AA_mskills2' in which this happens on first load and the others happen on 2nd load though it seems to like to just say the Animation thing now and crash.

So Did Repair all Again on save and got these results:

[18,3]
BAD REF>>REMATCHED 9 8 Qas_rocket_green 33
BAD REF>>REMATCHED 9 9 Qas_rocket_orange 33
BAD REF>>REMATCHED 9 10 Qas_rocket_red 33
BAD REF>>REMATCHED 9 11 Qas_rocket_yellow 33
BAD REF>>REMATCHED 9 12 Qas_rocket_blue 33
BAD REF>>REMATCHED 9 13 Qas_rocket_green 33

[7,22]
BAD REF>>REMATCHED 7 4 11AA_Belorn00000000 47

[3,-9]
BAD REF>>REMATCHED 7 5 11AA_Laura00000000 47
BAD REF>>NO MASTER 19 8 aa_comp_constance00000000

Orphaned content records:
aa_comp_constance00000000

But now got Friendly group clone aa_comp_constance00000000 in load for REFR '11AA_Laura00000000, Leif, Morgana, and Julan along with constance's unable to load in playersavegame and global script aa_ConAlmDiv.

So again Did repair all, but it says 0 promblems found.

... So any ideas how to fix this now lol.. would be appreciated and as you know also I am also posting a couple in Bethsoft.

[lukashisuphola]

I ended up loading an older save one that has not messed with Wyremash also and am playing it.

But! I am still getting random crashes, Laura Craft's dialogue is completly bad (she says like the first few letters of first word) and companion share on her causes crashes. Though idc for Laura all to much in my current playthrough and since I got her in decent gear beore all this, I am not worried about the times I may have her follow me.

So any help would still be appreciated if any think of something.

[Jac]

Try the Morrowind Code Patch's saved game cleaner. It probably won't fix your issue, but it should help prevent those issues in the future. As for your issues, all I can suggest is to start a new game because it sounds like this save is corrupted beyond easy repair.

[edit]: Fixed url tag.

[lukashisuphola]

Ya Thanks, been playing through with current playthrough though since it still fun and I put to much time etc... into it. Have been plaing for a total of like 9 hours after issue and have not experienced anything totaly game breaking, I do get more than plenty of issues though like random crashes and other things that make me have to mess around with companions, reloading, using console, etc... and the big one that I am guessing is just because of save and will hopefully go away with new game whenever I decide to use it again-- Laura Craft will say like first two letters of first words, companion share with her causes immediate crash, duplicate waiting in obvious area/state.

--Though these are the only issues I found with her, she actually seems to work fine otherwise. After a while though I did choose to just have her wait at her house and probably won't mess with her in current playthrough any more except maybe after all else is done or something as I did have equip her decent gear before the issue, and do enjoy her.

I will take a look at the you suggesting thing as I think that is what I was going to get again and what not any ways. If it is what I think, I had it before, but as it did not fix the issue I had and I did not like it, I removed it.
!Thanks for all the help!