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Post by Sniffles on Sept 29, 2015 23:30:48 GMT
Well, it appears Wilbert is broken. The only thing further I can suggest is resetting him. The only alternative is backing way up to a save before you spoke to him at the Inn.
This may make a horrible mess of Wilbert but since you already have one. Type the info inside the brackets < > not the brackets. Open the console and click on Wilbert. Note his number.
In the console type PRID <his number and hit enter> Type <Disable> enter Type <Enable> enter Type <Kill> enter Type <Resurrect> enter
If all goes well, Wilbert will be completely reset. Follow that up with the setstage again. You may have to type the reset sequence several times. The console can be fussy.
PS Resetting a character may get a bounty on the PC and a murder count. Try to do it when there aren't any witnesses. Making a save game and practicing resetting various NPCs can help you get the hang of how the console works.
PPS When you type PRID <number> the console remembers that number until it is closed and reopened. Sometimes. Sometimes it forgets the number. Mistyping can cause it to forget. Sometimes it will remember the number after closing and opening. So playing around with it and getting familiarized is a good idea.
PPPS Oh fluck! You might not like naked Wilberts. As a final console zerp type <additem 000f8713 1>
PPPPS If you want to liven up the Bard's College, as a final touch you can type <player.placeatme 0004247F> You might want to get the hell out of the place immediately.
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Post by imlysa on Sept 30, 2015 0:58:10 GMT
Was able to do all that. Tried both while in the college and while far away. No change. No quest log update. No conversation topics with Wilbert. Getstage still shows 0.00. *sighs* Not sure what I've done wrong that broke this.
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Post by Sniffles on Sept 30, 2015 1:55:40 GMT
You haven't done anything wrong per se. Something has gone very wrong with the Vilja Bards college quest line. Hopefully our Vilja code specialists can figure this out.
As an interim alternative until they do, your only recourse that I know of is reload a save game from before speaking to Wilbert at the Windpeak Inn.
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Post by thenryb on Sept 30, 2015 3:55:36 GMT
Why would not a setstage (questid) 5 do the trick? I know people are reluctant to use that command in this mod, but the "specialists" have been silent. And the dialogue with Wilbert is not going to magically appear. Make a hard save before you do it, of course.
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Post by Sniffles on Sept 30, 2015 4:26:15 GMT
Why would not a setstage (questid) 5 do the trick? I know people are reluctant to use that command in this mod, but the "specialists" have been silent. And the dialogue with Wilbert is not going to magically appear. Make a hard save before you do it, of course. I would dearly love some input here. My logic was Wilbert had a hung script from the Windpeak Inn. So I had both him and Vilja reset. Next, seeing as how Vilja had the correct dialogue, her script had progressed but Wilbert hadn't. So I tried initiating the script. Obviously something was stopping Wilbert from responding to the quest stage. So I couldn't think of anything else but fully resetting Wilbert. That failing tells me he is broken, possibly corrupted, and unable to run scripts. Technically, unless someone has a superzoofy clue, he is broken and all saved games after when he broke are corrupted. Probably at the Windpeak Inn. Karita is a serious problem. She has several concurrent scripts running. Bellowing, cleaning, dialogue, and a pending script where she takes over running the Inn if the Innkeeper dies. Essentially, she has scripts almost constantly running that can interrupt other scripts from executing like Wilbert, the Waking Nightmare or the Vilja-Family-Marriage quest. I got the Waking Nightmare quest and spoke to Erandur at the Inn. I followed him to the Nightcaller temple then he did exactly what Wilbert is doing now. No dialogue, no quest progression.
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Post by thenryb on Sept 30, 2015 4:37:36 GMT
Why would not a setstage (questid) 5 do the trick? I know people are reluctant to use that command in this mod, but the "specialists" have been silent. And the dialogue with Wilbert is not going to magically appear. Make a hard save before you do it, of course. I would dearly love some input here. My logic was Wilbert had a hung script from the Windpeak Inn. So I had both him and Vilja reset. Next, seeing as how Vilja had the correct dialogue, her script had progressed but Wilbert hadn't. So I tried initiating the script. Obviously something was stopping Wilbert from responding to the quest stage. So I couldn't think of anything else but fully resetting Wilbert. That failing tells me he is broken, possibly corrupted, and unable to run scripts. Thinking that all glitches relating to Wilbert can be traced to the Black Hole of Windpeak Inn sounds logical. However, setting the stage to 5 may get Wilbert to loosen up since he has, at least gone to the College as Vilja has advised.
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Post by Sniffles on Sept 30, 2015 4:39:10 GMT
See what I added, above.
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Post by Sniffles on Sept 30, 2015 4:42:19 GMT
As far as I can tell, there isn't a single script but a whole series of them. Like meeting Vilja's family at the Inn, you take daddy off to be killed while the family heads to Riften. Vilja, running her own scripts, may decide to go to Mars instead. The family may arrive in Riften but have no clue why they are there.
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Post by imlysa on Sept 30, 2015 7:23:17 GMT
Just a quick aside to Thenryb, part of what I did (on advice) was use the setstage command. It didn't do anything except allow Vilja to have her dialog about the letter for a third time. I'm not really wanting to go back to a save from before then, have done quite a bit since then so.....yeah, not an ideal fix. The real weird part is that every other quest is working or worked just fine. No wandering off to who knows where, no oddities with clothing, everyone following that had to just fine.
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Post by amgepo on Sept 30, 2015 8:50:45 GMT
Sorry for not noticing this thread before and thanks Sniffles, for pointing int out (and for helping here too). Ok, let's see. If you type SQV aaembardcollegequest, it appears as running? if so, try typing resetquest aaembardcollegequest, otherwise, type startquest aaembardcollegequest.
I can't check the CK or the game right now (terribly busy), thus, I'm not sure if I'm on the right track here, so, if it didn't work, don't worry, I'll take a look at the CK in eight ours or so from now, to evaluate the problem propperly.
EDIT: It seems I was right. While the radiance of the quest extend to other secondary ones, it has some radiancy on it's own. Thus, there are many chances of an alias not being filled in that quest (radiant quests have some extra frailty), being the cause of the problem.
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Post by imlysa on Sept 30, 2015 18:42:42 GMT
Thanks for coming by to look at what's going on.
Alright, did SQV aaembardcollegequest and got the following: Enabled? No State: Stopped Current Stage: 0 Priority: 62
So, since it wasn't running, tried startquest aaembardcollegequest. Vilja stated, again, that she had gotten a letter from Wilbert. Went to Solitude and the college, still no options for conversation. Checked SQV again, with the exact same results as above.
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Post by wotan on Sept 30, 2015 20:00:39 GMT
When you first meet Vilja there is an option to set some of her quests as completed. I wonder if there is an easy shortcut to that function. It could be a solution to Thenryb's problem if you could do that.
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Post by thenryb on Sept 30, 2015 20:33:59 GMT
I did not know this was a "radiant quest". Could it be that some unfinished vanilla "radiant quest" is interfering somehow? For example, if you have the quest to bring the Jarl of Falkreath Black Briar mead, until you complete that quest, you cannot get any other radiant quest, such as bringing Ysolda a mammoth tusk. Chances are this is totally unconnected, but Amgepo's comment about "radiancy", triggered this thought.
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Post by wotan on Sept 30, 2015 21:22:16 GMT
Ok, Thenryb. Do this:
Talk to Vilja and pick 'Traveling together...' Pick 'Off Topic' Pick 'We have already done (some) of your quests' Go talk to Beata in the Bannered Mare - tell Beata you have already done Vilja's quest to join the Bard College
The above should resolve your problem.
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Post by thenryb on Sept 30, 2015 22:08:46 GMT
Wotan-I do not have the problem. I was responding to Imlysa who does. My character has completed all those quests and is happily married and has run out of anything interesting to do. I have been trying to get Vilja to give me some more of her radiant quests such as finding her missing bow, but all she wants to do is offer me food (which I do not need).
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