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Post by drakeelvin on Oct 22, 2011 23:05:06 GMT
I love horned helmets.
A lot of people have to pay per gig now for bandwidth and the ISP's are lobbying hard so that we'll all have to one day.
The worst issue I had from Steam was the update they did for New Vegas where it updated even when people had said "no updates". From a business perspective I hope Steam will let users be in full control of what they download and when, but it just does not seem to be a priority for them. For the registration stuff, it's fine I'm cool with that.
But here in Canada the ISP's are lobbying hard for metered Internet in the whole country, and many people already have plans like that because their basic monthly fee is lower. If I was on a plan like that I would not use Steam unless I could be sure I could say if and when to download updates for a game that would put me over, as the other poster said, and one day in the not too distant future I may have to be on a plan like that and not have a choice if the gov't lets the ISPs have their way.
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Elwyn
Just Arrived
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Post by Elwyn on Oct 23, 2011 14:52:04 GMT
Just pre-ordered. Looking forward to it, and especially to Emma's Skyrim Mods!
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Eirik
Kind of A Big Deal
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Post by Eirik on Oct 24, 2011 23:11:26 GMT
My Mrs. owns a Playstation3 so she will more than likely experience it on a platform game first. Then when the PC versions become affordable, we will probably get one for her PC system, as mine right now cannot even play Oblivion.
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Post by steamteck on Oct 27, 2011 16:17:12 GMT
Well I bit the bullet ordered a new PC and Skyrim. My oldest daughter's PC can already handle it so she just ordered the game. Strangely Vilja asked me that evening if I was happy in Cyrodil or would like to visit Skyrim and seemed disappointed I wanted to check it out. I'll probably revisit Oblivion just to continue with her occasionly although I'm sure I'll obsess on Skyrim for a while.
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Post by Wolf on Oct 29, 2011 7:23:01 GMT
I'm sorry for being so illiterate, but could anyone explain what it means that a game is for Steam only, what causes and concequences this will have? I don't have anything that is for Steam, I'm embarrassingly unfamiliar with it. Hi Emma, at last I couldn't resist to enter your forum although I've sworn myself "not another account, username and password". But your community is so great. I'm surely late with my reply and maybe you know everything already. (Actually I am, having just seen amgepo's explicit reply) I copied this from Wikipedia: Steam is a digital distribution, digital rights management, multiplayer and communications platform developed by Valve Corporation. It is used to distribute games and related media online, from small independent developers to larger software houses. Steam also has community features, automated game updates, in-game voice and chat functionality. I'm sure your son uses DragonAge with Steam. He could tell you his experience. First you have to create an account in Steam which is for all games that are "Steam-powered". First I was very suspicious because you allow them making changes on your computer by automatic updates, but I've never experienced or heared anything illegal about it since. Of course there are commercial interests in advertising other games or recommending DLCs. For them you buy points and you will always have some points left which are not enough to buy a new DLC. So you always pay too much. Steam should have no influence on modding though I do not know, if the automatic future updates may cause issues. You see Modding works also with Dragon Age although independent scripting is much harder there. I'm afraid there will be less scripting possibilities in Skyrim if you regard the development of the games over the last years. But I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by Helvorix on Nov 1, 2011 15:44:53 GMT
Steam shouldn't have any effect on modding. I have Fallout New Vegas on Steam and I modded the crap out of it. I can't think of any reason why it would be different for Skyrim.
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Post by Jac on Nov 1, 2011 16:15:23 GMT
As long as it has a construct set of some sort, it'll be modded. The problem with Steam is that the service pushes patches on you and is another level of complexity to deal with.
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Post by amgepo on Nov 1, 2011 16:22:56 GMT
Steam shouldn't have any effect on modding. I have Fallout New Vegas on Steam and I modded the crap out of it. I can't think of any reason why it would be different for Skyrim. There could have been pretty different indeed. Some days ago, some folks (one of them being one of the authors of Unofficial Oblivion patch) were really concerned about the posible inclusion of one of the latest steamworks features which could have made imposible some of the things doable with Oblivion (and New Vegas). I don't remember the details, neither the name of that feature, I think it could avoid an OBSE like tool (or maybe something similarly disastrous). Finally that feature won't be included in Skyrim, but it was a close call. Steam evolves and what it lets you do with a game could not let you do with a later made one.
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Post by loriel on Nov 1, 2011 18:36:47 GMT
The problem with Steam is that the service pushes patches on you and is another level of complexity to deal with. Yes, I've seen a nasty case of this. A major modding project (XTC) on a game (X3-Terran Conflict) had serious problems when Steam forced a patch with "bonus" content that clashed with the mod... Loriel
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Post by Helvorix on Nov 5, 2011 4:04:50 GMT
I guess I see your point. You can change the settings so it doesn't automatically update the game though, but as far as I know there is no way to install a earlier version of the game so if you have to reinstall later you're screwed. Although, I don't know anyone that doesn't keep their ES games up to date anyway.
And of course I agree that Steam should not be a forced thing. I really hate it when game companies make their games dependent on digital distribution programs.
Edit: I was really sleepy when I posted this. I meant to say earlier version not later.
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Post by loriel on Nov 11, 2011 9:26:54 GMT
Also relevant for those who are nervous about the use of Steam: www.hardwarecanucks.com/news/games-news/breaking-valve-announces-massive-steam-server-intrusion/Looks like the database of Steam users has been compromised, including users' passwords, email addresses, credit card details, etc. Whilst passwords were hashed and salted, this could probably be broken by "brute force" attacks, and there are stories of this being used to "steal" Steam accounts. I don't know how significant this would be for the Steam usage by Skyrim, which would probably be a once-only authentication. Loriel
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Post by Jac on Nov 11, 2011 15:55:47 GMT
I don't know how significant this would be for the Steam usage by Skyrim, which would probably be a once-only authentication. I doubt it. Fallout: New Vegas requires that you connect to Steam if you want to patch it.
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