Warm Clothes and Warm Thoughts

[rememberkvatch]

(I am new to the forums, so if I have not followed the proper protocol for making a new thread, I apologize.)

First and foremost, THANK YOU to the entire Vilja Team. The mod is fantastic to play and is very well done. Vilja got me back into playing Skyrim--probably my favorite game--when it had started to feel stale. She completely revitalized my new playthrough, and has really changed how I played the game for the better. I'll admit I was skeptical at first, but after playing through 30+ levels with Vilja I can't imagine my character exploring Skyrim without her. Vilja fills a void in the vanilla game--having interesting, intriguing characters who care about you and have your back on the hero's epic journey. It's something that games like Mass Effect have that Skyrim kind of lacks. It's great to have a good companion by your side. So thanks you for all of your effort and hard work. I am looking forward to to everything Vilja still had in store for me.

Overall Vilja has worked very well, but I do have a couple of questions. The main one is how does Vilja's winter wardrobe work? What triggers her being 'cold'? I recently set up her wardrobes. I've been trying to get Vilja to use a cloak and a hood when it is cold or snowing--like I believe the winter wardrobe is supposed to work. But every time I give her a hood cloak she automatically equips them. She seems to be continuously using her winter wardrobes. Her clothing status almost always says "wearing ____ wardrobe and warm clothes." I get this message even in the middle of Whiterun at noon on a sunny day. At some points the hood will unequip, but the capes pretty much always stay on. Am I missing something?

I am using Immersive Armors and Cloaks of Skyrim. This has been the case for a number of items from both those mods. Could the issue be that I don't have anything else occupying those slots? I haven't been given Vilja any helmets as I like to see her face and she has said that is her preference. I mostly just have her wear bandanas from Immersive Armors. I went ahead and enchanted a couple of them so they have a higher value than a hood, so she should select them instead (at least I think so based off the wardrobe guide), but it appears those only take up the circlet spot while the hoods I gave her only fill the head slot--and she is equipping both! Since most of the problems were coming from Fur Hoods and other mod-based items, I went ahead and gave her an unenchanted Mage Hood, thinking that would fill up both slots. I added the new hood to her winter wardrobe and at first it seemed to work. She walked around town with the bandana on instead, though the cape was usually still in place. However, when I told her to put her winter wardrobe on when we were it in the wilderness, she did not equip the hood. Her status said she was wearing warm clothes, but she did not wear the hood from that wardrobe. I went ahead and removed the bandana from Vilja's inventory and then she equipped the hood. But then she refused to remove the hood unless we were indoors. He winter wardrobe still appears to be stuck on.

I hope that made sense. I can clarify if need be. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

[Sniffles]

I recently learned enchantments and smithing improvements have no effect on selection. The base item value is the only thing used.
I tried to get her wardrobe to work, carefully following Dova's and others instructions and the instructions, and failed miserably. Also, I don't think she has a thermometer. She will equip the highest base value item into any available slot. She will also always prefer light to heavy armor.

Oh yes. She's completely mental. Made her a pair of dragonscale boots, smithed to the max, double enchanted and 15 minutes later she gripes, "Will you look at these shoes! They hardly lasted a week!"

[wotan]

I believe you have to run a realism mod for wither/rain weather clothing to work properly. There are cloak/hood mods that are made to work with the realism mods. I'm not sure exactly which mod it is you need or maybe several. I would start checking "Frostfall" first, as I think that is the one adding rain and cold affects to the PC and npcs.

[rememberkvatch]

Thanks for the help! I guess I'll have to mess around a bit with her equipment. Do you all know if "Wet and Cold" causes conflicts?

[Dova]

I must have missed this thread when you first started it. Hope it's not too late to put some thoughts in.

Vilja should only put on her winter wardrobe on top of her other wardrobes when there are chunks of ice/snow around, and if you'd like a certain cloak and hood to be her winter apparel, make sure they aren't assigned to her other wardrobes, and that they aren't armored or enchanted. Otherwise, she prefers to treat them as armor, if she has the freedom to choose the best armor to wear.

Happy New Year!

EDIT: Wet and Cold is suspected to conflict with her wardrobes, you can use the mod, but it's best to exclude Vilja from it by giving her the Wet and Cold icicle.

[rememberkvatch]

Hello everyone! Sorry for reviving this old thread, but I wanted to thank Dova for the advice. I took a break from Skyrim (and gaming in general) around the holidays and then things got hectic for me so I hadn't checked back here in quite some time. In the last week or so I picked Skyrim back up again and it's been a lot of fun, especially hanging out with Vilja. It's like seeing an old friend again.

Anyway, thanks to everyone for the suggestions. I never got around to installing Wet and Cold, so no worries there. I'm considering installing it though, and if I do, I'll make sure to exclude Vilja from it.

I've done some tinkering with Vilja's wardrobes, however, and I think I got everything to work out. Her winter wardrobe occasionally activates for no good reason (in the middle of warm cities and such), but changing cells or waiting a few seconds seems to fix the problem. Through a lot of trial and error, I've managed to get the effect I wanted. Vilja now only wears the hood when the winter wardrobe activates (usually only when necessary) and unequips it and wears her bandana when just walking around normally. I haven't done any testing with some of the other items that were giving me trouble, and for now I'm happy with the result. Dova, thanks for the tip about making sure items are only assigned to specific wardrobes and that they are not enchanted. I think the enchanting in particular was part of the problem. If anyone is interested in the full workaround to fix the problem, I can go into detail, but at the very least I wanted to let you all know that I appreciate the support and that's one problem down!

Now, if only I could get her to sleep in the right bed...

[blockhead]

Mar 18, 2015 2:42:44 GMT rememberkvatch said:

Now, if only I could get her to sleep in the right bed...

I so read this in a perverted way.

[Sniffles]

Mar 18, 2015 3:48:35 GMT blockhead said:

Mar 18, 2015 2:42:44 GMT rememberkvatch said:

Now, if only I could get her to sleep in the right bed...

I so read this in a perverted way.

[rememberkvatch]

Well...you could read it that way. Not really what I meant. I'm trying to figure out how to explain my situation...and everything I think of sounds worse.

[Sniffles]

The unflippant reply is, Vilja will choose any unoccupied bed. Seems to be a major scripting problem designating one particular bed.

I've tried. Honestly! Got Vilja in the master bedroom at Lakeview. Removed all her hardware and clothing and gave her a night gown. Exhausted every possible conversation topic. Ready, set, 'Let's go to bed.'. Off comes the nightgown. out the door she goes and up the stairs to a spare bed to float a few inches above the covers in the buff. Repeat. Repeat. Nothing works. But while fussing with stuff and letting Vilja relax on her own, about half the time she changes into her nightgown and sleeps in the master bedroom. I gave up.

[wotan]

Someone who actually does Skyrim scripting should answer this, but if I'm allowed to make an educated guess - I would say the problem is that you cant's script ownership of a bed to a specific npc.

[rememberkvatch]

So, I by no means have any scripting experience, but you can use the console command "setownership" to change the ownership of objects, including beds. I actually tried to use this to limit Vilja's bed choices in my house but was unsuccessful. There are only two beds, main and housecarl, so I changed the second bed to be owned by the housecarl instead of the player. I thought this would force her to choose the only other remaining bed. She didn't. She just refuses to sleep.

[Wolf]

If you feel comfortable with using console commands (which of course can mess up behavior of other NPCs in this case) then "SetOwnerhip" should help you.

If you click on the bed (make sure you hit actually the bed and not a lightbeam or smoke object etc.) and type:

SetOwnership 000F2073

this will set the bed to be owned by the PlayerBedOwnership faction. Vilja is allowed to use those beds.

You can also use the command "ClearOwnership" on the bed. Vilja will then also be able to use it because it's not owned.

Tell her with "About this place/This is our new home". Afterwards speak to her again with "About this place/Let me show you where I'd like you to sleep". Lead Vilja close to the bed you want her to sleep in and talk to her. She will ask you then if she is supposed to sleep in this bed. Agree, and if the bed is either not owned or owned by the PlayerBedOwnership faction she will use it.

If it doesn't work, it's most probable that you set the ownership of an hardly visible ambient object like dust or a light beam between the camera and the bed. To select the bed go as close to the bed as you can get and then click on it. Check whether the ID changes if you click beside the bed. If it doesn't change you didn't manage to select the bed.

[rememberkvatch]

Wolf, thanks for the advice. I think it must be the last thing you mentioned, with me catching a stray object and setting ownership of that.

It's been a wierd situation in terms of beds. I wrote out the whole story but it was obnoxiously long so I'll sum up.

I'm using the Breezehome FullyUpgradeable mod, which remodels the house a bit. The primary difference is it adds a basement and Lydia's room is moved down there. The first night in the house Vilja went to bed without a hitch. She went upstairs of her own accord and slept in the bed. The second night she slept in Lydia's bed--clipping through Lydia who was also trying to sleep there. It was a very odd sight, so that was when I first used the console commands. I set the bed to be owned by Lydia. She still sleeps there fine and Vilja leaves her alone.

I assumed that since there was only one free bed, Vilja would move there, and I had seen her sleep there previously, so I figured it wasn't a mod-based issue. She has not, instead pacing around the house all night or sitting in a nearby chair. I used the dialogue prompt to tell her to sleep in the bedroom, but she just stands around the bed, staring at it. I'm guessing I must've messed up something with the ownership commands. I'll double check when I get on the game later. Hopefully I can fix it.

All told it's not that big of a deal. Vilja has actually not been overly buggy for me, which is amazing considering how complex the mod is. Again, thank you to everyone on the team. The mod is fantastic. I feel like all I'm giving are long winded bug reports, when it really is an amazing addition to the game.

[Sniffles]

One minor point regarding Breezehome. It's screwed up. There are issues with some of it's containers. It also suffers from the Dawnguard DLC being installed. I have no idea why these things happen. Only relating input from others and bitter experience.

BTW, Vilja will stand around the bed, staring at it, or do any of several other things that seem to lock her in place if she has a pending script activated but not completed. For example, hovering in the kitchen about to cook something occassionally happens when I tell her 'let's go' at just the wrong time after I've asked her to cook something. Parts of the bottle quest, and quests originating at the Windpeak Inn can cause these little fuds. Oh yes, her wanting to go shopping is a real common hung up script.