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Post by jgf on Sept 7, 2015 16:06:17 GMT
I'm holding off on Bash and OBSE for now but have been reading about other possibly useful utilities. Though for every thread telling me LOOT is the successor to BOSS and is a much better program I will read another thread telling me LOOT has major issues and people should stick with BOSS until LOOT is developed further. Anyone care to comment?
Also, as one of those who prefer to manually install software rather than relying on autoinstallers (so I know exactly what is installed and where, and what cfg or ini edits are made) I look askance at omods (and at those who ONLY release their mods in this format). How reliable is this Mod Manager for installing these? I've read the omod is merely a compressed container and you can change the extension to .zip and extract the files for manual installation, of course this will not make any necessary ini edits, nor have the documents for any of these mods I've inspected mention what changes are made, so how viable is this manual install option?
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Post by Sniffles on Sept 7, 2015 21:19:16 GMT
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Post by jgf on Sept 7, 2015 23:17:52 GMT
Lol, that is more a mean spirited argument than a debate. But i learned three things from it:
- this debate has been raging for nine years (that thread is from '06) - there once was a omod2zip conversion utility but Timeslip removed it from circulation because "it did not work with newer omods"; that implies there are at least two incompatible omod formats ...we're heading into kludge territory - you can hex edit an omod so it can be opened with a standard zip program, but no instructions were provided (and due to the age of the thread all links to external information are now dead)
So my question remains - should I place blind faith in this Mod Manager to correctly install and, if necessary, uninstall a mod to my game? Or ... is there a viable way to manually install a mod for which I've only found an omod version?
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Post by Sniffles on Sept 8, 2015 1:33:37 GMT
Well, my VERY limited experience with mod manager is, if I want bits of couch stuffing, rocks and leaves in my omelet, I'll put them there myself. That is, if your files are not where they are normally supposed to be, Mod Mangler makes scrambled eggs super.
My mega bitches are mods that blithely tell you to edit this and that in the .ini file. WHICH INI FILE, DAMMIT? Mods that sprays dandelions all over the directories, and my pet hate, mods that replace the vanilla files. I delete them upon discovering the impending horror.
Then I use the super delux mod manager. TEMP folder. Install the crap with my own favorite shovel (scoop and drop into the Data shortcut) and if it sucks, run a duplicate file finder and bye bye you piece 'o sheet.
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Post by Bard Skye on Sept 28, 2015 18:32:21 GMT
Might I suggest the Mod Organizer?
It installs *nothing* to your Skyrim files. Instead, it keeps all mods separated and builds a "virtual data folder" into which everything is installed and run from. This keeps original Skyrim files from being overwritten, as also allows mods to be activated and deactivated at will, thus allowing for multiple game profiles.
It really saves a lot of headaches when troubleshooting conflicting mods.
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Post by jgf on Sept 28, 2015 20:14:42 GMT
Might I suggest the Mod Organizer?
It installs *nothing* to your Skyrim files. ... Does this also work for Oblivion? (Much as I looked forward to it, I shall probably never play Skyrim.)
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Post by jgf on Sept 28, 2015 20:26:27 GMT
.... and my pet hate, mods that replace the vanilla files. ... Ah, that is an entirely different soapbox. One reason I've played Morrowind so seldom the past couple of years is such a mod. It purported to merely add animated birds and butterflies, and some new tree textures; there was no mention that it also replaced many creature textures. I had my own textures for most creatures, which were overwritten with no notice; the master files for these were lost to a malware attack on an old XP system years ago, so I would have to recreate all these from scratch. Every time I play since then just reminds me of that.
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Post by Bard Skye on Sept 28, 2015 20:58:05 GMT
Might I suggest the Mod Organizer?
It installs *nothing* to your Skyrim files. ... Does this also work for Oblivion? (Much as I looked forward to it, I shall probably never play Skyrim.) Oops... Forgot what section of the forum I was in...
Not sure if it'll work with Oblivion or not. Possibly check the Nexxus to see if there's an Oblivion version?
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Post by Sniffles on Sept 28, 2015 22:56:38 GMT
Does this also work for Oblivion? (Much as I looked forward to it, I shall probably never play Skyrim.) Oops... Forgot what section of the forum I was in...
Not sure if it'll work with Oblivion or not. Possibly check the Nexxus to see if there's an Oblivion version?
It says Oblivion in the info files. I'm going to give it a try.
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Post by valandril on Sept 29, 2015 8:10:44 GMT
My experience with Mod Organiser is that it's an incredible tool for Skyrim, for other games... eh. I'm sure it can be made to work, but I found it a lot less smooth than with Skyrim, and I've heard this from people who know more about these things than me, too. Still, it's worth a try, especially if you only have a smallish mod list.
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Post by Sniffles on Sept 29, 2015 9:56:48 GMT
So I have to have NMM in order for it to work?
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Post by Bard Skye on Sept 29, 2015 11:58:28 GMT
So I have to have NMM in order for it to work? No. It's a stand alone program.
Check YouTube. Gopher has some excellent tutorials.
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Post by Sniffles on Sept 29, 2015 12:25:00 GMT
So I have to have NMM in order for it to work? No. It's a stand alone program.
Check YouTube. Gopher has some excellent tutorials.
I'm doing the tutorial. It stops at having me do a download from Nexus telling me to use the NMM. I'm really confused. I don't have NMM installed.
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Post by Bard Skye on Sept 30, 2015 16:30:22 GMT
No. It's a stand alone program.
Check YouTube. Gopher has some excellent tutorials.
I'm doing the tutorial. It stops at having me do a download from Nexus telling me to use the NMM. I'm really confused. I don't have NMM installed. Here's the link to Gopher's installation video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYY1OV2_ZTk
You don't need NMM. Choose manual download, then select Download with Installer.
The Installer is a program specific to MO.
Change the default installation destination to your Oblivion folder.
Doing this will allow the MO to automatically detect the game it's being installed for.
If you want to use it for Skyrim, you have to do another download to your Skyrim folder as each installation of MO only works for one game.
Hope this helps.
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Post by dogonporch on Oct 6, 2015 16:15:17 GMT
Tired of patches for landscape tears? Yes, they're annoying. But, no more! This handy utility fixes 95% of all those sorts of issues with one click. Activate the Land Magic Patch esp...keep it at the bottom of your load order. Land Magic (Oblivion) www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/30519/?
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