Odd/weird issue in Grumpy's Apartment mod

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Odd/weird issue in Grumpy's Apartment mod Jan 5, 2014 1:22:46 GMT

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Post by Leonardo on Jan 5, 2014 1:22:46 GMT

What the title says... I've just discover the most weirdest and oddest glitch ever when using MGE-XE 0.9.9 and I know for sure it didn't happen when I was using MGE 3.8.2 Rev-178 in my earlier games.

The cupboard is there and not open
The cupboard has been activated

The cupboard is missing after reloading 'Quicksave'

All this happen with these mods and all of them was not reported for being dirty in mlox. Also I haven't leveled up yet and still in level 1 in a new fresh game.

_001_ Morrowind.esm
_002_ Tribunal.esm
_003_ Bloodmoon.esm
_004_ Book Rotate.esm
_005_ Better Heads.esm
_006_ Better Heads Tribunal addon.esm
_007_ Better Heads Bloodmoon addon.esm
_008_ Morrowind Patch v1.6.5d_beta.esm
_009_ MCA.esm
_010_ TR_Data.esm
_011_ TR_Mainland.esm
_012_ 20books.esp
_013_ md_eltonbrand_unique.ESP
_014_ Passive_Healthy_Wildlife.esp
_015_ Arthmoors_Merchants.esp
_016_ Ashlander_Transports.esp
_017_ Mana_Regen_v13.esp
_018_ telbranoramanor.esp
_019_ Sirollus Saccus master trainer fix.esp
_020_ Dragonbone_Pauldrons.esp
_021_ Lost pieces of unknown armor - Class 04.esp
_022_ Sleepers Robe.esp
_023_ Necklace_Pack.esp
_024_ ImprovedAdamantiumArmor.esp
_025_ CleanAreaEffectArrows.esp
_026_ CleanBitterCoastSounds.esp
_027_ CleanEntertainers.esp
_028_ CleanHelmOfTohan.esp
_029_ CleanMasterIndex.esp
_030_ SiegeAtFiremoth.esp
_031_ Mills of Morrowind.esp
_032_ Better Bodies.esp
_033_ Ghostgate_Sactuary.esp
_034_ The Apartment.esp
_035_ GR_Crossbow.esp
_036_ sit_down_in_Morrowind.esp
_037_ Frost_Armor.esp
_038_ Green Stalhrim.esp
_039_ LOCH_Strider_Hovel.esp
_040_ Book Rotate - Tribunal v5.3.esp
_041_ Book Rotate - Bloodmoon v5.3.esp
_042_ Qarls_Hot_Girls_III.esp
_043_ Thirsk Expanded.esp
_044_ Amulet of Icarian flight.esp
_045_ Morning Star Islands 04072006.esp
_046_ New Clothes.esp
_047_ Better Clothes_v1.1.esp
_048_ Secret_Master's_Alchemy_Equipment_v1.0.esp
_049_ Clean GoodEngravedRingOfHealing.esp
_050_ More Exquisite Clothes.esp
_051_ Westly's Master Headpack X.esp
_052_ Redaynia Village.esp
_053_ Master Index Upgrade.esp
_054_ Stalhrim Stuff.esp
_055_ Dahrk Creatures I.ESP
_056_ abotWhereAreAllBirdsGoing.esp
_057_ abotGondoliers.esp
_058_ Golden Saint Armor.esp
_059_ Bloodmoon Vendor.esp
_060_ Skill Progress.esp
_061_ The Sable Dragon 1.6.esp
_062_ A Free Solstheim Shack.esp
_063_ Maar Gan Hut.esp
_064_ md_magebane_replacer.esp
_065_ BB_Grimoires.esp
_066_ Unique Jewelry and Accessories.esp
_067_ Westly_Presents_Unique_Winged_Twilights.esp
_068_ md_daedralord_staffs.ESP
_069_ More Better Clothes.esp
_070_ LotsOfRings.esp
_071_ LotsOfRingsPlus.esp
_072_ Wolli's_solthseim_MRM.esp
_073_ abotSiltStridersTR.esp
_074_ abotBoatsTR.esp
_075_ abotRiverStridersTR.esp
_076_ UFR_v3dot2.esp
_077_ abotTRWaterSound.esp
_078_ Village of Mora Uvirith v1.1.esp
_079_ Kogoruhn Ruins 1.11.ESP
_080_ Atronach Expansion X.ESP
_081_ Greater Addamasartus.ESP
_082_ New Lord's Mail.esp
_083_ ASH 2.0.esp
_084_ Melchior's Mudcrab Merchant.ESP
_085_ Books of Vvardenfell.esp
_086_ Ald Velothi Transport.esp
_087_ Seyda Neen Transport.esp
_088_ ChaniBalmoraVendor.esp
_089_ Retextured Small Chests.esp
_090_ The regulars - Sitting NPC's v2.02.esp
_091_ hidaway001.esp
_092_ vince_robe_drakescale.esp
_093_ vince_robe_haazheel.esp
_094_ MCA - TR Addon.esp
_095_ Uvirith's Legacy_3.1.esp
_096_ Poe LighthouseV2.esp
_097_ UL_AshArmor_Plangkye.esp
_098_ UL_BookJackets_Add-on.esp
_099_ UL_Chess_Add-on.esp
_100_ UL_MWSE_Primus.esp
_101_ UL_MWSE_Companions.esp
_102_ UL_MWSE_Add-on.esp
_103_ UL_3.1_TR_SE1.5_Addon.esp
_104_ UL_TLM_Ambiance.esp
_105_ Mashed Lists.esp

I can get the cupboard back by exit the game and re-launch Morrowind from Windows. Has anyone else seen anything like this before?

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Odd/weird issue in Grumpy's Apartment mod Jan 5, 2014 4:25:10 GMT

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Post by jgf on Jan 5, 2014 4:25:10 GMT

I would suspect the "quicksave". I experienced numerous oddities such as this until advised to stop using quicksaves; it is somewhat "immersion breaking" to exit and do a normal save but I've never had such problems since.

Leonardo People Know Me Posts: 249	Odd/weird issue in Grumpy's Apartment mod Jan 5, 2014 12:29:05 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Leonardo on Jan 5, 2014 12:29:05 GMT I think I solved the mystery and that's related to the distant land wizard in MGE-XE.

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Odd/weird issue in Grumpy's Apartment mod Jan 6, 2014 11:29:12 GMT

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Post by Emma on Jan 6, 2014 11:29:12 GMT

Well, quicksaves shouldn't be used at all. In Morrowind, they are a total disaster as they store artifacts from other playthroughs. The same goes for when you repeatedly save over an older save. The saving system is so unreliable that I would consider it Morrowind's worst bug. There was even cases when a playtester of mine saved two characters on the same saving slot, and he suddenly found that the quest stages had been stored, so that his "new" character appeared to have done the quests that the old one had done.

Then of course your problem can, as you say, be related to the distant land wizard in MGE-XE, but in my book, I'm not even a bit surprised if people are getting barking dogs falling down from the skies if they don't always make regular saves on a new saving slot.

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Odd/weird issue in Grumpy's Apartment mod Jan 6, 2014 20:56:58 GMT

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Post by jgf on Jan 6, 2014 20:56:58 GMT

Jan 6, 2014 11:29:12 GMT Emma said:

...so that his "new" character appeared to have done the quests that the old one had done.....

I also experienced that. Even worse, the game considers you failed the quest(s); apparently you're flagged as having done the quest but since you don't have the rewards you must have failed. And of course if you've already done the quest you can't do it again so this glitch is a game-breaker.

I blame the quicksave for duplicating a companion in one game. She completely disappeared but would still communicate, I told her to return where we met (Balmora). I found her in the Fighters' Guild there... minus a small fortune in armor, weapons, and inventory I'd provided her. I saved and reloaded... and had two companions, one with the armor, the other with the inventory. Which was "real"? If I told either to leave, at the next reload both would be gone. Had to abandon that game. (An odd thing here was that I could reload the last "good" save and go anywhere, do anything, play for any amount of time, save again, and my companion would be missing from that save. Trying to recover her would end up with two again.)

Inventory items disappear, NPCs' disposition change drastically, even finished quests (for which I'd received rewards) not being credited so preventing me from progressing.

My eternal gratitude to whoever told me years ago to stop using quicksaves. All problems I've had since then have been traceable to mod conflicts.

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Odd/weird issue in Grumpy's Apartment mod Jan 8, 2014 12:31:18 GMT

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Post by candesco on Jan 8, 2014 12:31:18 GMT

I didn't use the quicksave much, i guess only somewhere in the beginning until i read that it was bad. Since then i make 5 saves and rotate it. I do overwrite them a couple of times. But before overwrite them i backup too. And then after some time when mash found errors i make new ones. I only use 1 character, so i don't have the weird stuff of finished quest and storing artifacts from other playthroughs. The times when i started over i deleted all the saves and often also uninstalled the whole game. So far the only things i encouter are some missing refs and orphans and few companions which don't level. Although i don't know if that is an error or that it is intended. This happens with beryl.

Emma Administrator Lady of Lokken - Admin Posts: 8,648	Odd/weird issue in Grumpy's Apartment mod Jan 8, 2014 12:33:58 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Emma on Jan 8, 2014 12:33:58 GMT I definitely recommend that you always make new saves and delete the old ones instead. Saves made on other saves are so easily corrupted.
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Odd/weird issue in Grumpy's Apartment mod Jan 8, 2014 13:13:50 GMT

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Post by candesco on Jan 8, 2014 13:13:50 GMT

When i make new saves i delete the old ones. Also check them with mash, just to be sure they ain't corrupted or so. Yeah, saves are easily corrupted, especially if you import new mods during the current play. I've learned that lesson and don't do that anymore. But i overwrite the save 2 times, maybe 3 and then it's time for complete new ones.

Last Edit: Jan 8, 2014 13:16:53 GMT by candesco

Post by Leonardo on Jan 5, 2014 1:22:46 GMT

Post by jgf on Jan 5, 2014 4:25:10 GMT

Post by Leonardo on Jan 5, 2014 12:29:05 GMT

Post by Emma on Jan 6, 2014 11:29:12 GMT

Post by jgf on Jan 6, 2014 20:56:58 GMT

Post by candesco on Jan 8, 2014 12:31:18 GMT

Post by Emma on Jan 8, 2014 12:33:58 GMT

Post by candesco on Jan 8, 2014 13:13:50 GMT