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Post by Sniffles on Feb 20, 2017 8:50:53 GMT
A few days ago I was checking Vilja's dialogue options and discovered the choice of introducing her to Inigo. The two had been conversing before but I don't recall if I used the introduction or not. So I used the intro.
Today, Inigo went nuts and started randomly attacking other companions. I used the console TAI on him (twice of course) and he went back to normal. HOWEVER, using Vilja's reset spell on him caused instant CTD.
I used Vilja's reset spell on all other companions-followers without problem. Just Inigo. I reverted to saved games to discover Inigo getting the Vilja reset spell caused CTD until the save a few hours before I introduced - reintroduced him to Vilja. Before then, no problem.
I have now tested this about 40 times with 8 saved games. CTD every time. What should I do? Does our kitten need neutering?
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Post by amgepo on Feb 20, 2017 12:01:29 GMT
Well, he does need to have something taken off, but not any part of his body. Just his equipment. Remove any and all items he had and then try the reset spell on him.
In case that didn't work either, leave him in an inn, go to a different place (any place in a different city would be enough -even a bit of overkilling-) wait for 10 ingame days and then return. He should fixed. Try the reset spell on him now.
if even this fails, try both fixes along. Remove every item in his inventory leave him alone for 10 days (30 if you leave him in a dungeon instead of an inn), return and try the reset spell on him.
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Post by Sniffles on Feb 20, 2017 12:44:32 GMT
Removing all his equipment worked. Could you please explain what happened and how this fixes it?
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Post by amgepo on Feb 21, 2017 6:50:38 GMT
Usually, an item in an inventory is only a name and the number of items, but items can have individual references making them different from any item in the game, those references can be handled by scripts, or by quests (using an alias) and besides that, items can have scripts on their own.
Given all that, specially the part where they can have scripts, there is a lot of wrong interactions that items in an inventory can cause on it's wearer.
The reset spell, between many other things, disable and enable actors and move them out and in the loaded zone. Those two actions in particular, but many of the others in a lesser grade, tend to make items with some scripts stuck or stuck in some scripts or quest aliases, cause CTDs.
EDIT: To clarify this a bit, those items causing CTDs when the reset spell is used in their wearer, is not something undesirable, as having those items screwed is bad enough for the future of the saved game.
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Post by Sniffles on Feb 21, 2017 10:28:57 GMT
Thank you! But I put all the items \right back and he's fine now. HUH??
This is like taking our truck to the mechanic, the brakes are squealing, there is a huge cloud of smoke behind it and it is using 16 gallons of fuel per kilometer. So the mechanic adjusts the door of the glove compartment and it starts running like a dream.
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Post by CollinMacleod on Feb 22, 2017 4:41:20 GMT
That's why Amgepo gets the big bucks, he knows about the glove box trick...  |
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Post by Sniffles on Feb 22, 2017 5:42:09 GMT
I'm going to blame Inigo personally for this entire bollocks. M'rissi might be involved as I heard her say something about eating humans the other day. Be all that as it may, an existentialist feline who gets a significant part of his reality through a surrealism filter laced with dragon farts is always a prime suspect.
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Post by naramoore on Feb 22, 2017 23:41:44 GMT
Sofia's twisted sense of humor. She doesn't like Inigo or Vilja. I heard say that she thought the whole thing was funny!
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Post by Sniffles on Feb 24, 2017 5:06:02 GMT
A little more help please, Amgepo!
Very recently Vilja has been changing out of her armor, uninstructed to do so, and sometimes going about nude. I know it's a recent bug or glitch, her scripting doing strange stuff. Rather than simply fix it I'd like to do some sleuthing and see if I can find the cause. Nothing has altered with her for months, acting perfectly correct, so I'd like to sniff out this problem and see if a root cause can be found.
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Post by amgepo on Feb 24, 2017 10:29:44 GMT
Her going naked, usually means too much script activity around not letting scripts running fast enough. She is more vulnerable to it while sneaking and foes are searching for you, as making her not attack in those moments, while retaining her companion functions (specially wardrobe control)requires certain responsiveness. A non sneak related nudity, would mean a serious script lag or maybe even script bloating.
On the other hand if as I understand, she equips her clothing instead of armor, when she is instructed to be wearing armor, the most probable causes are a really serious script activity (thus, both bugs being related and the script problem being serious), a mod changing armor values of clothing and armor, or save corruption.
You may need to use a save cleaner utility. And as I lack any experience with such utilities, I would ask someone using them to suggest a good one as well as some instructions on what you need to do.
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Post by Sniffles on Feb 24, 2017 11:18:23 GMT
Thanks, Amgepo. I don't use her wardrobe ever. The scripts that it uses makes more than 4 or 5 follower/companions unreliable and she does the nude thing a lot more.
Is it okay when I suspect serious script back logs to turn off the AI on some of the followers for a while so the scripts can clear? Are there any potential problems to periodically turning off NPC AI? I noticed my Princess sometimes got serious psycho. She gets a dragon pissed off, turns off the AI on all the companions, removes all the PC armor and equipment except for a weapon, cranks the game to legendary difficulty then does one on one epic insanity battles. Would things like this foo up saved games?
I have two save game cleaners I run regularly. No way I can randomly run up to 15 followers if I don't take the trash out.
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Post by amgepo on Feb 25, 2017 14:34:56 GMT
I guess turning of the AI of a NPC involved in a quest scene could screw things up depending on how avoiding that NPC involvement in the scene could be bad news, but doing so in a fight shouldn't cause that kind of problems.
As said, I'm not knowledgeable on save cleaners, but using two at the same time sounds like a possible source of conflicts. Those utilities are supposed to alter archives, if their ending result isn't the same, bit wise, the combination of both of them could remove more than it should. Again, it's an opinion based on assumptions. I would ask in those save cleaners forums.
On the other hand, I wasn't taking into account your multiple follower run. these problems may also be related to 15 AI running at the same time, strangling the CPU time for scripts at certain moments. Again on the other hand, the nude thing happening a lot more even if the cause is the mentioned one, didn't bode well. Probably it's a good time to give you 15 followers a 3 ingame day vacation, in order to let your game recover.
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