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Post by darthorc on Jan 15, 2014 0:32:00 GMT
Greetings - Vilja came up and said "How about making an early night of it?" (Not necessarily an exact quote). Unlike when she suggests other actions, such as finding a place outside for her to wander to, no dialog options appeared. When asked the same question, she immediately initiated marital relations.
Is there no speech option, or is my version missing a file?
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Post by Seyheb on Jan 15, 2014 8:06:43 GMT
This is an issue I reported myself on the Vilja Nexus site a little while back, but I don't know whether it was seen as the post wasn't acknowledged.
I don't think you have any any dialogue files missing (except in the sense the ability to reply and initiate things just isn't there), but only the team can answer that. Emma and the team are very busy at the moment preparing a new version of Vilja, which I understand will extend her dialogue, so I decided to wait and see if this and a couple of other things I mentioned back then have been dealt with in the new release, before mentioning them again if needed.
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Post by Seyheb on Jan 15, 2014 11:34:52 GMT
P.S. I suppose this could be just a bug, but whatever, I admit I do find it somewhat immersion-breaking.
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Post by Dova on Jan 25, 2014 19:58:10 GMT
Been researching awhile about this...but cannot get the situation recreated in my game
In my game, if it's Vilja that talks about having an early night, it's just a one-line chatter, and doesn't initiate a conversation with the player, thus nothing happens afterward. If the player initiate the early night conversation, Vilja should either accept or comment about the time of the day with no signs indicating she has brought up the topic before.
hmm, Doug, can you quote your original nexus post about this here?
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Post by Seyheb on Jan 25, 2014 21:24:03 GMT
Been researching awhile about this...but cannot get the situation recreated in my game In my game, if it's Vilja that talks about having an early night, it's just a one-line chatter, and doesn't initiate a conversation with the player, thus nothing happens afterward. If the player initiate the early night conversation, Vilja should either accept or comment about the time of the day with no signs indicating she has brought up the topic before. hmm, Doug, can you quoted your original nexus post about this here? Oh, it was a long time ago and I doubt if I could find it now without a lot of searching and I can't even remember the exact words now. I didn't consider it a big issue, so I only gave it a mention along with two other relatively small issues, if I remember right. However, the post wasn't acknowledged and gradually disappeared down the lists out of sight, so I don't know if it was seen. The question has come up from Vilja very infrequently and has only happened 'at home', but as you say, you can't respond to it which can be a little... 'duh'. I felt it would be nice if you could respond to her directly in a similar way to how she will respond to you when you suggest an early night, so you could either trigger some words, the the hug and the fireworks, or complain of a headache! After all, as my wife says, marriages should be equally shared partnerships! However my post didn't spell out what I thought should be the available responses and merely mentioned that it would be nice to be able to respond directly to her. I think one of the other though unconnected things I mentioned in the post was that she continues to say after marriage: "Dearest Friend, I am so happy that you are here" which sounds a little odd to me once married and changing it to "Dearest Love, I am so happy that you are here" after you are married would seem to me to be more appropriate, if that was possible to trigger after the marriage, because it isn't normal for spouses to call each other 'friends', at least in my experience. The third thing I mentioned was something regarding what she says about doubts whether she felt she would be able to take you to meet her mother, which also seemed a little odd as you had already met her parents at the wedding. |
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Post by Dova on Jan 25, 2014 21:51:46 GMT
Ah yes, all these dialogue descrepancies. the way that Vilja is currently setup, it would be hard to stop Vilja from treating the player as friend before the marriage, unless the team decides to reorganize that many lines in her behavioral quests.
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Post by Seyheb on Jan 25, 2014 22:08:14 GMT
Oh I'm not concerned about Vilja using the term "friend" before the marriage, only afterwards, and in that one case in particular. I wondered if the marriage itself could be used as the point of change from "friend" to "Love" in that particular case. That would be for Emma and the others to judge of course.
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Post by Seyheb on Jan 25, 2014 23:02:49 GMT
(lag-caused accidental post cleared)
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Post by Dova on Jan 26, 2014 5:49:11 GMT
My typo, I meant treating the player as friend as if they are not married.
I am having this whole forum-incomprehensive-syndrome for awhile 
I often just overlook those oddness by thinking that a significant other can also be a best friend  |
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Post by Seyheb on Jan 26, 2014 7:39:05 GMT
Ah, I understand what you meant now.  However although you are right that your spouse will also be a best friend, I've never heard anyone call their significant other a friend in that way. The wedding already introduces new dialogue of course, without taking away dialogue from those who wish to continue as friends only, so I thought it might be possible to incorporate a changed line in that for those who's characters marry Vilja, though that's not for me to say. The "early night" issue is different of course, in that you are "left hanging" because of the lack of an ability to respond to Vilja. The equivalent dialogue and action already exist in Vilja's responses to the player when the player makes the suggestion, so I wondered if it might not be too difficult to use some of that to help in creating an abilty for the player to make similar responses to Vilja. However, again it's not for me to say whether that could be easily done of course. However, I don't regard any of these as major issues and none of them come up in dialogue very frequently anyway. I only pointed them out because I wished to help a little by bringing them to the Team's attention. The overall immersion created by Vilja's dialogue, including the after-wedding dialogue, is already of a very high order indeed and is second to none and in that regard I don't see them as things we couldn't manage without if they weren't taken on board. |
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Post by darthorc on Jan 29, 2014 5:19:38 GMT
Thank you for the information. Now I know I am not missing a file or experiencing a bug.
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However although you are right that your spouse will also be a best friend, I've never heard anyone call their significant other a friend in that way.