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Post by rhyls on Aug 6, 2016 20:29:06 GMT
"Cicero, Stop pulling Lydia's hair" And "Lydia you must learn to be less helpful" Rhyls, stop pretending to be a dragon". Dragons dont have squeaky voices Sniffles, No, you don't have a cold, no your not leaving the class and put that tomahawk away. Seyheb, please stop throwing paper aeroplanes all over. Why are you sitting with all those girls, graykin?       Now then: I want you all to write down neatly and no squiggles. Which of you boys and girls told the Alik,r where Saadia was? And which one of you went and Killed Kematsu? Answers handed to me by lunchtime please. Be truthful: |
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Post by golddragon on Aug 6, 2016 22:39:38 GMT
It's after lunch, but I tend to avoid that particular quest. Reason: I think they are BOTH lying.
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Post by wotan on Aug 6, 2016 22:52:12 GMT
Really difficult to tell who is right, if either. I've gone both ways at least once.
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Post by rhyls on Aug 6, 2016 22:55:22 GMT
Really difficult to tell who is right, if either. I've gone both ways at least once. So far I've only gone with Saadia, what happens if you turn her over? |
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Post by rhyls on Aug 6, 2016 22:56:22 GMT
It's after lunch, but I tend to avoid that particular quest. Reason: I think they are BOTH lying. Based on what? What happens either way? |
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Post by zedtsayid on Aug 6, 2016 23:02:57 GMT
Well done both but much more rewarding in xp and fun to kill Kematsu and his crew.
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Post by wotan on Aug 7, 2016 8:58:39 GMT
Really difficult to tell who is right, if either. I've gone both ways at least once. So far I've only gone with Saadia, what happens if you turn her over? Saadia will be taken back to Hammerfell for trial. |
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Post by valandril on Aug 7, 2016 9:13:21 GMT
Saadia will be taken back to Hammerfell for trial. Although apparently her remains show up in the Whiterun catacombs, but it's debatable as to whether that's a "hint" at a real outcome, or just how the game handles NPCs who are removed from the game (Kematu wouldn't show up there as he's not marked as a citizen of any of the cities.) |
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Post by Seyheb on Aug 7, 2016 14:41:56 GMT
Only killed Kematsu, and more than once.
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Post by valandril on Aug 7, 2016 16:26:18 GMT
It's after lunch, but I tend to avoid that particular quest. Reason: I think they are BOTH lying. Based on what? What happens either way? Neither story really adds up. It could just be iffy writing, but basically I don't trust either of them. This is all based off my hazy memory, but I think in general I'm remembering okay: For a start, if Saadia's a Thalmor agent or whatnot (as Kematu says) then why is she hiding in Skyrim rather than Alinor where they could easily protect her? Similarly, if she's on the run from them (as she claims), why would she hide in Whiterun rather than Windhelm or another Stormcloak-controlled hold where she might get decent protection from the local authorities? If Kematu is an honourable agent of the Alik'r, why are he and his men hiding out with bandits - paying them for the use of the cave? They could easily clear the bandit den (honourable or not, they are clearly trained warriors and would certainly have an advantage) or another place to hide out, but instead they pay money for the privilege of skulking in the back room. I forget the exact dialogue but I'm 99% certain you can overhear dialogue between two bandits in Swindler's Den to the effect that they're not keen on the arrangement but the boss likes the money or something like that. If Saadia spoke out against the Aldmeri Dominion in Hammerfell, why on Nirn would she need to stay away from the place? Hammerfell is an independent state during the events of Skyrim, not part of the Aldmeri Dominion and indeed it seceded (sp?) from the Empire because of the Empire's agreement to the White-Gold Concordat (specifically the bit where it said "sure, you guys can have part of Hammerfell"). And even if she was afraid to go home, why in Dagon's name would anyone care enough about her speaking against the Aldmeri Dominion to send people to kill her because of it, as she claims? There's also the fact that Saadia looks a bit young to have been an adult during the time period she's meant to have done her speaking out/treachery (presumably early during the attempted... occupation? of Hammerfell by Aldmeri Dominion forces which started in 4E171, 30 years before Skyrim, and ended with the independence of Hammerfell (second treaty of Stros M'Kai) in 4E180 (21 years before Skyrim).) That could of course be design fail, but Kematu talks about you being taken in by "a pretty face" which is not typically how one would expect someone to talk about a woman in her fifties, more how you'd describe a woman around the age Saadia looks - mid 20s to early 30s. (Not that women in their fifties can't be pretty, but "taken in by a pretty face" sort of implies a protective aspect - "she looks so young and helpless" sort of thing, such as you might expect someone to say about Vilja or Sofia if Sofia had never spoken in earshot of them and they'd never seen either girl with a sword in hand...) Personally, my "headcanon" so to speak is that Saadia is the wife of some noble or other who left an unhappy marriage and went on the run, the husband hired some guys to dress up as Alik'r warriors to fetch her back. There's nothing much in game to support it, though, it's just how I make sense of the inconsistencies (because I suspect they're not intentional.) |
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Post by rhyls on Aug 7, 2016 16:41:25 GMT
Well, I can't say I know enough to debate ypur argument. Regarding her youthful looks,don't you think she could have used one of the many face changer mods on NEXUS? then give herself the UNP body.
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Post by valandril on Aug 7, 2016 16:49:25 GMT
Well, if she's achieved CHIM* then I wouldn't fancy being whoever it is she's on the bad side of, tbh...
*weird/cool metaphysical lore thing which, among other things, actually gives a fairly canonical explanation for player-characters' ability to rewind time (reload saves), change reality (mods/console commands) and various other stuff...
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Post by zedtsayid on Aug 7, 2016 16:49:32 GMT
Nice points valandril. I did enjoy your point about pretty faces, as long as Sofia doesn't talk. Made my laugh.
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Post by wotan on Aug 7, 2016 16:52:38 GMT
Well, there could be truth in what either of them says.
If what Kematsu says is true, Saadia is a noble who betrayed Hammerfell to the Thalmor and a city fell because of it. Now the other nobles want to bring her to justice -- this could be the other nobles lying and them actually being the traitors who took Thalmor money.
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Post by rhyls on Aug 7, 2016 17:24:12 GMT
Well, we haveto go with how we feel at the time.I think there also may be a n smidgeon of 'female in distress' about it.
Ever the gentlmen' here.
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