|
Post by CollinMacleod on Apr 27, 2015 23:50:30 GMT
It was what you posted Emma, you have a tad more respect at Bethesda and through the whole realm of modding than even you wish to believe.... I like to think so anyway.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 23:57:25 GMT
We think this made us miss the mark pretty badly, even though we believe there's a useful feature somewhere here.
From the first post I read; ....They backed down cause Skyrim was already an old modded game. Bet your bottom dollar paid mods will be out for Elder Scrolls 6 and Fallout 4. Because the games will be new and people are less likely to complain.
I still think this will be back just in another form...but WoW. I am in shock!!! Happy shock
|
|
|
Post by thenryb on Apr 28, 2015 0:11:41 GMT
Another link-Bethesda's mea culpa:http://www.bethblog.com/2015/04/27/why-were-trying-paid-skyrim-mods-on-steam/
Sorry about lack of "clickable" link.
|
|
|
Post by Emma on Apr 28, 2015 0:21:11 GMT
I wouldn't be in happy shock...
I'd call it a strategical retreat, which means regrouping rather than anything else.
I think this has all along been a preparation for the FO4 modding scenario, but I thought they just wanted us to get rid of the anger before FO4. Dova has had similar, but even darker and more indepth thoughts (and I think she has a very valid point in what she says).
If I should make a guess on what will happen next:
The Skyrim mods will never be for sale.
With FO4, they will release a creation kit and allow free modding for PC. Then, they will *offer modders to port their work to the consoles*. The porting will be done by Bethesda/Steam, as as this includes a cost for them, they will charge a price for the console version of the mod. The modder will gain a small percent of the charged price, maybe 25 %, as a bonus because his work was allowed to be ported.
Resources, then? Well, they can't have another fiasko similar to what happened with certain paywall-mods that were using content from other mods. So, maybe Beth/Steam contact some prominent resource-makers directly and offer them to sell resources through a special steam-store, so that they are free to use for console versions.
By the time that TES6 is released, the pay-for-console-mods-system will be so established that it's hardly a problem anymore.
...just me guessing, of course... But I don't think the pay-wall will hit any of the existing TES-games again. It will be there, in revamped versions, for the upcoming games instead.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 0:37:11 GMT
I wouldn't be in happy shock... I'd call it a strategical retreat, which means regrouping rather than anything else. I think this has all along been a preparation for the FO4 modding scenario, but I thought they just wanted us to get rid of the anger before FO4. Dova has had similar, but even darker and more indepth thoughts (and I think she has a very valid point in what she says). If I should make a guess on what will happen next: The Skyrim mods will never be for sale. With FO4, they will release a creation kit and allow free modding for PC. Then, they will *offer modders to port their work to the consoles*. The porting will be done by Bethesda/Steam, as as this includes a cost for them, they will charge a price for the console version of the mod. The modder will gain a small percent of the charged price, maybe 25 %, as a bonus because his work was allowed to be ported. Resources, then? Well, they can't have another Chesko-fiasko. So, maybe Beth/Steam contact some prominent resource-makers directly and offer them to sell resources through a special steam-store, so that they are free to use for console versions. By the time that TES6 is released, the pay-for-console-mods-system will be so established that it's hardly a problem anymore. ...just me guessing, of course... But I don't think the pay-wall will hit any of the existing TES-games again. It will be there, in revamped versions, for the upcoming games instead. Dova has had similar, but even darker and more indepth thoughts
umm what thoughts? Where? sry but I don't know what a or who a Dova is or where to read them. Link please But yeah, I am predicting that this will mirror the SOPA law battles over in the USA. They will just repackage this pay-for-mods scheme and try it again on the next group of kids who come and play. We can never give up. We can never let go of our disgust. We can never stop thinking about what we almost lost and all the ways they can take it away from us. We also can never stop expressing our anger andd disappointment with Bethesda and Steam and Valve because once they think they can try it again they will. I stand by my previous post where I talked about POTENTIAL PROFITS. That is very big in the corporate world. And if the potential profits are so big then it is something that they won't be able to give up so quickly.
|
|
|
Post by Emma on Apr 28, 2015 0:41:53 GMT
Dova's postDova is one of the co-admins here . I think she was probably a member here already when you left, in these early days she called herself Dovahklon. (I'll have to go and read your previous post - I got so excited when I heard the news that I totally didn't see anything at all in the forum thread)
|
|
|
Post by Emma on Apr 28, 2015 0:46:39 GMT
I most definitely second P!nkP!per's request here: I must admit I haven't got a clue about the majority of all abbreviations floating around. That's one of the bad things with not having english as first language
|
|
|
Post by blockhead on Apr 28, 2015 0:53:15 GMT
DRM means digital rights management, a pretentious fancy-schmantzy way of saying "copy protection." It is a way of making it sound better.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 1:00:06 GMT
DRM means digital rights management, a pretentious fancy-schmantzy way of saying "copy protection." It is a way of making it sound better. oooh... via mobile eh? Soooo SEXY hahaha hi blocky So I guess I'm a little confused... Darkone over at the Nexus was making such a big fuss about this... he even called Gabe out on a Reddit thread and asked him about DRM and modding and if they would protect it... any thoughts? Anybody? (sry no links right now, I am watching the voice and tv is on full blast
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 1:08:44 GMT
I most definitely second P!nkP!per's request here: I must admit I haven't got a clue about the majority of all abbreviations floating around. That's one of the bad things with not having english as first language Omg! hahaha I forgot to spell my nic name the right way, P!NK P!PER hehehe that is soooo funny And no worries Emma, English is my first language and I don't even know of all the abbreviations floating around so what does that say about me huh?... (please nobody answer that.) hehehe
|
|
|
Post by blockhead on Apr 28, 2015 1:15:08 GMT
oooh... via mobile eh? Soooo SEXY hahaha hi blocky Welcome back
|
|
|
Post by jgf on Apr 28, 2015 3:21:09 GMT
I bought Skyrim on dvd, but I bought Morrowind and Oblivion on Steam... (I already had the (poorly) translated version of those two but I wanted them in original version.) So, it's my fault if mods are now for sale? It is the fault of anyone who pays for mods that have previously been free, whether existing mods or new ones. Once you begin to pay you set the precedent and there is no turning back. I still use my original GOTY edition of Morrowind, but have yet to find any non-Steam version of Skyrim. I occasionally follow links for "Skyrim DVD" which typically lead to a page on Amazon which depicts the jewel case and describes the game WITH NO MENTION OF STEAM ...but order that DVD and see what you get (I've heard from too many acrimonious buyers to even waste my time pursuing this any more).
|
|
|
Post by CollinMacleod on Apr 28, 2015 3:43:42 GMT
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 5:07:04 GMT
Ha! I hope they won't get back to it in the near future, this summer for example, when everyone is looking elsewhere.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 5:12:19 GMT
I bought Skyrim on dvd, but I bought Morrowind and Oblivion on Steam... (I already had the (poorly) translated version of those two but I wanted them in original version.) So, it's my fault if mods are now for sale? It is the fault of anyone who pays for mods that have previously been free, ... So you're accusing me of buying mods now? I would never buy a mod; I make mods myself and I always push people into modding rather than using mods made by others. Chose another victim for yourself, will you.
|
|