Wardrobe confusion

[Seyheb]

Hi Sniffles. I hope I can help a little.

First of all, it really does pay to read the wardrobe readmes very carefully, then practice the options. It can be rather confusing at first, but once you do get used to the wardrobe system, I have found it to work very well.

1. Yes. There are some fine-tuning options in both the wardrobe system and also in her dialogue options that affect exactly when she will switch between them or mix the two and and it is worth practising those until familiar. When she does put on armour, she can wear clothes in slots not assigned to armour. In her wilderness wardrobe, you can assign armour and clothing to the same slots, then (subject to options) she will wear the clothing when going around normally and switch automatically to armour when in danger, but she can still wear some clothing if you wish in slots not occupied by the armour.

2. Make absolutely sure any clothing you use as clothing has no armour rating whatsoever. A surprising amount of clothing does have some armour rating.

3. She wears her urban clothing in inns. There isn’t a separate wardrobe for inns or for residences she doesn’t recognise as a home, except for Jarl’s houses where she will wear her Elegant wardrobe.

(She doesn't wear any armour in urban areas unless I ask her to).

4. Urban.

That doesn't cover everything, but I hope it helps a little.

P.S. I'm only a user, like you. No doubt someone from the team will intervene if more needs to be said.

[Falion]

Thanks for the tips Seyheb! I've read the readmes, but it's still a fairly involved system. I'm thankful for the tips, since Oblivion Vilja did not have this involved a system ( unless my memory is wrong ). Up to now, I've been a bit leary of using the system too much, just letting her decide what to wear ( usually her armor ) most of the time. I'll have to play around with this a bit!

[Seyheb]

Hi Sniffles. I recommend setting the wardrobe so she puts on her armour automatically in dangerous areas rather than only when entering combat, then she will be ready most times. Even if it is a surprise attack, she should change into her armour instantly in any case, that's my experience. I've not found her to not respond to being hit though, that's a strange one. Occasionally she will require being hit to actually attack in return if my character hasn't attacked or been hit, but most times I've found that she will respond pretty well straight away. She will even take pot-shots at threatening low-flying dragons that I haven't attacked (I have her set to use lightning at range).

The wardrobe system is fantastic, but it did take me some time and practice to get everything working right!

[jet4571]

The way i did it is she uses her default dress for home and default sleep. I added a nice elegant dress for visiting Jarls, 1 light armor for in villages and about town. then her normal combat armor for everything else. She only changes to those except swimming and I just left that as default nude because I am male. I have her settings for changing to clothes out of combat to Off. She wears the outfits in the correct locations and never has she been in a fight without armor unless it was in water. I just find it simpler to have her not changing outfits before and after combat and have her wear some armor around town because there could be fights there.

[Seyheb]

In my setup, she will auto-switch to her combat armour whenever there's trouble or entering a dangerous location whichever area she is in, including in towns. She will then auto-switch back again afterwards when it is safe. At the moment, I generally prefer her not to wear her combat armour except when in dangerous areas or a fight. It's because I've set up a different auto-equip wardrobe for her to wear for each area. She also has some extras available manually via the outfit system.

It's one of the great things about the system; you can set things up according to our own preferences.

[Falion]

You guys are going to make me get off my lazy butt and figure her system out! It's too easy to just start up the game and head out adventuring...wardrobe, smoredrobe I'll get around to it, sometime...eventually. Poor Vilja, in my game she is always in her armor except for sleep time...no wonder she always wants to go shopping...

[Falion]

ROFL Sniffles I guess, I just don't like shopping...in game or out...ask my wife!

[Seyheb]

Jan 13, 2014 13:18:54 GMT Falion said:

ROFL Sniffles I guess, I just don't like shopping...in game or out...ask my wife!

I'm with you on that!

[Sniffles]

The difference between men and women. Men like to bang on things. Women like to bang on things sometime but we like to look and smell nice while we do it.

[Seyheb]

Jan 14, 2014 3:11:22 GMT Sniffles said:

The difference between men and women. Men like to bang on things. Women like to bang on things sometime but we like to look and smell nice while we do it.

Hah! We men like to look and smell nice too.   We just tend not to spend as long wandering around the shops making up our minds.

[Falion]

Hahaha, Seyheb has it right! I went shoe shopping with my wife once, when we first got married ( 20 years ago )...ONCE. We started in this store and she tried on about a dozen different shoes, finally deciding that "one" was ok...but not quite right. So from there we went to 8 other shoes stores ( the whole of Saturday gone ), and ended up back at the first store, getting those shoes...*blink, blink*, *facepalm*...sigh...

Shopping with Vilja is like that, when she says, "You can tag along if you like"...I just smile and say, "Nah...I'm good, I'm good, but you have fun...see you when your done. Then I go bang on something!

[Sniffles]

Shopping. The promlem is simple. Men go shopping to buy something. Women shop for entertainment which is much more sensible if you think about it. You men buy something. It is priced as high as it can be and still sell. There's a good chance it's crap and will fall apart long before it's time. The warranty is probably garbage. It doesn't fit or doesn't do the job. It turns out to be really stupefyingly ugly. And on and on. If you had just gone shopping to look at stuff, think of all the future aggravation you could avoid!

And on that note, I need a mod. Prancing about with Vilja I had amassed a tidy sum of gold. My other took over the controls the other day. Around 600,000 was missing and one of the storage chests in our house was stuffed with several thousand bits of clothing and other apparel. The problem is mostly Radiant Rainment's fault. The little icon like image of the garment just doesn't cut it. You have to try it on. And preferably out in  the sun light and in various inns, palaces and so forth. So you teleport to Solitude, empty the store, go outside the city, wait 48 hours and repeat. Several times. So we need either an infinite amount of money and storage space or a mod that gives a variable lighting changing room where you can try on all those clothes in all their combinations. Then we need an expanded version of Vilja's wardrobe where your character and Vilja can have a half way decent selection of, say, 30 or so different outfits for each occasion and situation.

[dualm]

I had an animation problem which is happily resolved and now, I have issues with Vilja wearing wardrobes. I have selected the wardrobe for each listed scenario and there there is an arrow pointing to each garment piece that I have chosen in the selection window. I have told her to auto switch between her wardrobes but she won't. I have gone in directly and told her to wear a specific wardrobe but she won't. She does, however complain incandescently about being naked in the city

Th clothing is not from the vanilla files, rather, it is imported from mods that I have downloaded. This, at first, may seem like an incompatibility issue but before my animation woes, she had been wearing these wardrobes without incident, even those with zero weight. Would enchanting these articles of clothing allow her to become aware of them perhaps, or would it add to the issue, with her then viewing them as armor?

[Dova]

Jan 24, 2014 18:49:21 GMT dualm said:

I had an animation problem which is happily resolved and now, I have issues with Vilja wearing wardrobes. I have selected the wardrobe for each listed scenario and there there is an arrow pointing to each garment piece that I have chosen in the selection window. I have told her to auto switch between her wardrobes but she won't. I have gone in directly and told her to wear a specific wardrobe but she won't. She does, however complain incandescently about being naked in the city

Th clothing is not from the vanilla files, rather, it is imported from mods that I have downloaded. This, at first, may seem like an incompatibility issue but before my animation woes, she had been wearing these wardrobes without incident, even those with zero weight. Would enchanting these articles of clothing allow her to become aware of them perhaps, or would it add to the issue, with her then viewing them as armor?

Reread your posts, and a few questions for you:

Have you tampered with Skyrim Vilja the same way you did with Oblivion Vilja?

When Vilja complains about being nude, is she actually nude or wearing something? Perhaps something from other mods?

What are these clothing mods you are using? (if your mod lists hasn't changed since you post it last time, are they from Craftable Clothes and Robes?)

A few suggestions for you:

Give Vilja her original outfits, and tell her she can wear whatever she wants (which reset wardrobe preferences). Dismiss her and see if she wears her outfits properly (ie dress in daytime, night gown to bed). If she is fine, then recruit her set the wardrobe with vanilla clothings, and check that. If that also works, then that should narrow the problem down to the modded clothing.

EDIT: I keep thinking that there's something strange going on with your save, even with your animation problem, you went about avoiding it by reverting to an older save. But maybe something buggy already exists in the previous saves...dunno...are you using mods conservatively? or have you been swapping out and adding mods with the same character over time?

[Seyheb]

Once you set armour in the wardrobe system, she will stop wearing any clothing that in reality has some armour rating, however small. When armour isn't required, she will not wear armour but she will only wear clothes without any armour rating, so check to see if any of the clothing you want her to wear has an armour rating. If it does, I'm afraid you will have to find an alternative that doesn't have an armour rating. It is surprising how much clothing has an armour rating in reality. Also, armour settings made in the wardrobe system will work across all wardrobes.