Post by loriel on Feb 4, 2011 9:40:01 GMT
Posted by: Rex Little
Post Posted: 11 Jul 2010 07:27 pm Post subject: How do I prove Wulfren innocent? And other
questions Ragnar is dead, and now Laurenna and I are looking for evidence to clear Wulfren. Following a dialogue suggestion, I talked to Ingrid in the main hall. All I got from her was a note to go to Fiona Krang's house and talk to Erik, but Erik is nowhere to be found when I get there. (Also, I get another copy of the note every time I talk to Ingrid; that greeting needs to be filtered better.) Am I really supposed to talk to him, and if so where is he?
Another dialogue line suggested I talk to Lisendra, but she doesn't seem to have anything except her buy-me-drinks sequence, which I've already been through.
I spoke to some others in the main hall, but no one seems to have any topics related to Wulfren. What am I missing?
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Posted by: blockhead2
Post Posted: 11 Jul 2010 07:33 pm Post subject:
A question: Did you rescue Erik from the prison area already?
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Posted by: Rex Little
Post Posted: 11 Jul 2010 07:44 pm Post subject:
blockhead2 wrote: A question: Did you rescue Erik from the prison area already?
Yes. I think that was necessary to get to the point I'm at.
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Posted by: jgf
Post Posted: 12 Jul 2010 12:25 am Post subject:
It's been a while since i played this, but he may be walking around outside the house.
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Posted by: Rex Little
Post Posted: 12 Jul 2010 12:32 am Post subject:
There was someone walking around outside, but it wasn't Erik; it was Fiona's husband (Vollmar?). I'll have another look around the area, maybe Erik is there too. Meanwhile, anyone else have any ideas?
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Posted by: Rex Little
Post Posted: 12 Jul 2010 09:53 am Post subject:
I looked all around the outside of the house; nobody there except Vollmar. I even looked inside the lighthouse; there's a guy named Magnus Klang there, but still no Erik. You'd think these people would at least have a dialogue topic to tell me where Erik is, but no.
Is there perhaps another job I have to do before Erik will show up?
Or, is Erik the one I actually have to find? Does someone else have the information I need to clear Wulfren?
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Posted by: jgf
Post Posted: 12 Jul 2010 07:47 pm Post subject:
I rummaged through my journal and, if you gave Erik the guard's uniform and he left the prison, he goes to meet his wife, who should be with Fiona Klang.
Hint:
You should talk to Ingrid, in the main hall.
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Posted by: Rex Little
Post Posted: 12 Jul 2010 09:15 pm Post subject:
jgf wrote: I rummaged through my journal and, if you gave Erik the guard's uniform and he left the prison, he goes to meet his wife, who should be with Fiona Klang.
Hint:
You should talk to Ingrid, in the main hall.
I did give Erik the uniform, he did leave the prison, I did talk to Ingrid (who gave me a note telling me to see Erik at Fiona's house) and Erik's wife is at Fiona's house. But Erik isn't there.
If this is truly a glitch and Erik should be at Fiona's, I can do a PlaceAtPC with the console to put him there. But looking through the Hints section in this forum, I saw the point made repeatedly that using the console is likely to mess up the storyline if it's used to make something happen that's not supposed to yet. So I need to know if Erik is really supposed to be at Fiona's now, or if there's something I haven't done yet which will put him there when I do.
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Posted by: jgf
Post Posted: 12 Jul 2010 09:47 pm Post subject:
From my journal (your dates, of course, will differ):
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16 Rain's Hand (Day 213)
Hellena was so grateful that I had managed to @rescue Erik# from the @prison#, and to show her appreciation, she gave me an exquisite robe.
16 Rain's Hand (Day 213)
It was truly a @pleasure# to see Erik's happiness when he met his @wife# again. This couple are obviously very fond of each other. I hope they will have a long and happy @life# together.
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15 Second Seed (Day 243)
Ingrid at the Main Hall gave me a note from Fiona Klang. She wants me to go over to her house as soon as possible, as Erik wants to @talk# to me before he and Hellena leave for @dagon Fel#.
15 Second Seed (Day 243)
Erik has given me a @scroll# with information concerning @the murder# he witnessed on the day he was thrown into @prison#. I @guess# I should study this carefully.
15 Second Seed (Day 243)
I have given @wulfren# the @lette#r I got from Erik....
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There is no further mention of Erik in the journal (my last entry is day 387).
In the 30 day span between those entries I was mostly occupied with Nerevarine quests, but:
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8 Second Seed (Day 236)
Kielreen has given me a @message# from @sigrid#... I @guess# I'd @bet#ter read it.
8 Second Seed (Day 236)
@laurenna# was alarmed when she found out that her @mother# intended to marry Ragnar in order to rescue @wulfren#. As @wulfren# will always be the rightful ruler of Lokken as long as he is alive, @laurenna# doesn't believe that Ragnar will fulfil his promise and remove the @curse# from @wulfren # after the wedding ceremony.Something has to be done immediately!
9 Second Seed (Day 237)
@wulfren# now has both the gauntlets and the @warhammer of Thorjan Bjorg#. He was really grateful for my @help#.
9 Second Seed (Day 237)
I have offered to kill Kreikan, and @wulfren# has reluctantly accepted my offer.....
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Have you done this quest line yet? I don't know if anything here triggers the return of Erik, just looking for anything that may explain his absence.
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Posted by: Rex Little
Post Posted: 12 Jul 2010 11:38 pm Post subject:
Here's the journal entries which summarize what I've done:
15 Mid Year (Day 305)
Hellena was so grateful that I had managed to @rescue Erik# from the @prison#, and to show her appreciation, she gave me an exquisite robe.
15 Mid Year (Day 305)
It was truly a @pleasure# to see Erik's happiness when he met his wife again. This couple are obviously very fond of each other. I hope they will have a long and happy @life# together.
17 Mid Year (Day 307)
@wulfren# now has both the gauntlets and the @warhammer of Thorjan Bjorg#. He was really grateful for my @help#.
17 Mid Year (Day 307)
I have @offer#ed to kill Kreikan, and @wulfren# has reluctantly accepted @my offer#. He told me about a @secret passage# between the Master bedroom in the @castle# and the throne @room#. I should be able to @sneak# up behind Kreikan and kill him. Possibly, one of the maids has a @key# to the Master bedroom. @laurenna# will know more about this. Also, @wulfren# thinks that I should wait until Ragnar goes hunting. Trying to kill Kreikan while he is around is probably an impossible @task#.
27 Mid Year (Day 317)
@laurenna# wants me to forward a @note to Kielreen#, to make sure that Kielreen tells her aunt Gwenn when Ragnar and his @men# will leave the @castle#. When they are away on their hunting tour, we might get the chance to use the @secret passage# to reach the Throne @room# and kill Kreikan. @laurenna# insists on following me on this @mission#. The maid Agnete has a @key# to the Master Bedroom, with its door to the @secret passage#. @laurenna# believes she might be able to persuade Agnete to give her the @key#.
27 Mid Year (Day 317)
I have given the @note to Kielreen#, and she has promised to follow @laurenna#'s instructions, that is, forward a @message# to her aunt Gwenn in the brewery, so we will know when Ragnar and his @men# go hunting. @laurenna# has also warned Kielreen to stay away from the Throne @room# while Ragnar and his @men# are away...
27 Mid Year (Day 317)
Kielreen has given me a @message# from @sigrid#... I @guess# I'd better read it.
27 Mid Year (Day 317)
@laurenna# was alarmed when she found out that her @mother# intended to marry Ragnar in order to rescue @wulfren#. As @wulfren# will always be the rightful ruler of Lokken as long as he is alive, @laurenna# doesn't believe that Ragnar will fulfil his promise and remove the @curse# from @wulfren # after the wedding ceremony.Something has to be done immediately!
1 Sun's Height (Day 321)
Kreikan is dead! Which should mean that @wulfren# will regain his human shape and sooner or later show up at @laurenna#'s cottage.
1 Sun's Height (Day 321)
@laurenna#'s @mother# is now in safety in @laurenna#'s cottage. She was very grateful to have been rescued.
2 Sun's Height (Day 322)
@laurenna# has completely disappeared! @wulfren# thinks that she might have been grabbed by Ragnar's @men#, who have used a teleport item to take her to the @castle#. We must rescue her immediately!
2 Sun's Height (Day 322)
@wulfren# was really happy about the @amulets# of levitation and shadow that I gave to him.
2 Sun's Height (Day 322)
Ragnar is dead! Now I must find the @key# to the cell where @laurenna# is kept @prison#er.
2 Sun's Height (Day 322)
@wulfren# is now the @rightful chieftain# of Lokken. Well, maybe not yet... First, he has to prove that he didn't kill his @father#. But, more importantly: we have to rescue @laurenna#
2 Sun's Height (Day 322)
@laurenna# was truly grateful that Ragnar is dead and that she is now safe. She thinks that @the guards# will cause no @fur#ther @problem#, as they weren't truly loyal to Ragnar (except for @the guards# in the Throne @room# and in the south east tower). @wulfren# is now chieftain - or he will be, once he has cleared his name of the @death# of his @father#.
2 Sun's Height (Day 322)
@wulfren# believes there was someone who witnessed @the murder# of his @father# and @who can help# him to clear his name. He wants me to ask around in the village, and suggests that I start in the Main Hall. The person I'm looking for is grey-haired, and @wulfren# doesn't remember seeing his face before or after the incident.
2 Sun's Height (Day 322)
Ingrid at the Main Hall gave me a note from Fiona Klang. She wants me to go over to her @house# as soon as possible, as Erik wants to @talk# to me before he and Hellena leave for @dagon Fel#.
That's it. I don't have the entry about getting a scroll from Erik, because I can't find Erik at or around Fiona Klang's house, which is why I posted in the first place.
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Posted by: jgf
Post Posted: 13 Jul 2010 07:38 am Post subject:
We seem to have done all the same things. I suspect one of those well known Morrowind glitches prevented the script from producing Erik; and you are correct in being wary of using PlaceAtPC to summon him, you never know what repercussions that could have. On the other hand this is the last interaction with Erik, so it may be safe.
Lacking better advice from Emma, my best suggestion would be to first backtrack and talk to everyone again and see if that jars the system into running the script (it's worked for me in similar situations). Be sure to explore all conversation topics. If Erik still refuses to make an appearance, backup your most recent save (so you have a restore point), and use PlaceAtPC.
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Posted by: Rex Little
Post Posted: 13 Jul 2010 09:16 am Post subject:
OK, thanks. I'll try that.
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Posted by: Emma
Post Posted: 17 Jul 2010 11:19 am Post subject:
Have you checked if the game has somehow resetted so that he is back in his prison cell again? Else he definitely should be together with his wife.
If you don't find him there, I'm pretty sure it should be safe to use a PlaceAtPC on him.
(I'm sorry that I haven't replied here earlier... I'm on holiday in the cottage with my daughter.)
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Posted by: jgf
Post Posted: 17 Jul 2010 04:47 pm Post subject:
That sounds like a nice place to be, enjoy your vacation.
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Posted by: MyCat
Post Posted: 18 Jul 2010 06:10 pm Post subject:
Emma, whenever you post nowadays I hear your text in Vilja's voice. Surprised
Post Posted: 11 Jul 2010 07:27 pm Post subject: How do I prove Wulfren innocent? And other
questions Ragnar is dead, and now Laurenna and I are looking for evidence to clear Wulfren. Following a dialogue suggestion, I talked to Ingrid in the main hall. All I got from her was a note to go to Fiona Krang's house and talk to Erik, but Erik is nowhere to be found when I get there. (Also, I get another copy of the note every time I talk to Ingrid; that greeting needs to be filtered better.) Am I really supposed to talk to him, and if so where is he?
Another dialogue line suggested I talk to Lisendra, but she doesn't seem to have anything except her buy-me-drinks sequence, which I've already been through.
I spoke to some others in the main hall, but no one seems to have any topics related to Wulfren. What am I missing?
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Posted by: blockhead2
Post Posted: 11 Jul 2010 07:33 pm Post subject:
A question: Did you rescue Erik from the prison area already?
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Meanwhile, at the dance party
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Posted by: Rex Little
Post Posted: 11 Jul 2010 07:44 pm Post subject:
blockhead2 wrote: A question: Did you rescue Erik from the prison area already?
Yes. I think that was necessary to get to the point I'm at.
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Posted by: jgf
Post Posted: 12 Jul 2010 12:25 am Post subject:
It's been a while since i played this, but he may be walking around outside the house.
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Posted by: Rex Little
Post Posted: 12 Jul 2010 12:32 am Post subject:
There was someone walking around outside, but it wasn't Erik; it was Fiona's husband (Vollmar?). I'll have another look around the area, maybe Erik is there too. Meanwhile, anyone else have any ideas?
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Posted by: Rex Little
Post Posted: 12 Jul 2010 09:53 am Post subject:
I looked all around the outside of the house; nobody there except Vollmar. I even looked inside the lighthouse; there's a guy named Magnus Klang there, but still no Erik. You'd think these people would at least have a dialogue topic to tell me where Erik is, but no.
Is there perhaps another job I have to do before Erik will show up?
Or, is Erik the one I actually have to find? Does someone else have the information I need to clear Wulfren?
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Posted by: jgf
Post Posted: 12 Jul 2010 07:47 pm Post subject:
I rummaged through my journal and, if you gave Erik the guard's uniform and he left the prison, he goes to meet his wife, who should be with Fiona Klang.
Hint:
You should talk to Ingrid, in the main hall.
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Posted by: Rex Little
Post Posted: 12 Jul 2010 09:15 pm Post subject:
jgf wrote: I rummaged through my journal and, if you gave Erik the guard's uniform and he left the prison, he goes to meet his wife, who should be with Fiona Klang.
Hint:
You should talk to Ingrid, in the main hall.
I did give Erik the uniform, he did leave the prison, I did talk to Ingrid (who gave me a note telling me to see Erik at Fiona's house) and Erik's wife is at Fiona's house. But Erik isn't there.
If this is truly a glitch and Erik should be at Fiona's, I can do a PlaceAtPC with the console to put him there. But looking through the Hints section in this forum, I saw the point made repeatedly that using the console is likely to mess up the storyline if it's used to make something happen that's not supposed to yet. So I need to know if Erik is really supposed to be at Fiona's now, or if there's something I haven't done yet which will put him there when I do.
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Posted by: jgf
Post Posted: 12 Jul 2010 09:47 pm Post subject:
From my journal (your dates, of course, will differ):
------------------------------------------------------------------
16 Rain's Hand (Day 213)
Hellena was so grateful that I had managed to @rescue Erik# from the @prison#, and to show her appreciation, she gave me an exquisite robe.
16 Rain's Hand (Day 213)
It was truly a @pleasure# to see Erik's happiness when he met his @wife# again. This couple are obviously very fond of each other. I hope they will have a long and happy @life# together.
---------------------------------
15 Second Seed (Day 243)
Ingrid at the Main Hall gave me a note from Fiona Klang. She wants me to go over to her house as soon as possible, as Erik wants to @talk# to me before he and Hellena leave for @dagon Fel#.
15 Second Seed (Day 243)
Erik has given me a @scroll# with information concerning @the murder# he witnessed on the day he was thrown into @prison#. I @guess# I should study this carefully.
15 Second Seed (Day 243)
I have given @wulfren# the @lette#r I got from Erik....
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There is no further mention of Erik in the journal (my last entry is day 387).
In the 30 day span between those entries I was mostly occupied with Nerevarine quests, but:
------------------------------
8 Second Seed (Day 236)
Kielreen has given me a @message# from @sigrid#... I @guess# I'd @bet#ter read it.
8 Second Seed (Day 236)
@laurenna# was alarmed when she found out that her @mother# intended to marry Ragnar in order to rescue @wulfren#. As @wulfren# will always be the rightful ruler of Lokken as long as he is alive, @laurenna# doesn't believe that Ragnar will fulfil his promise and remove the @curse# from @wulfren # after the wedding ceremony.Something has to be done immediately!
9 Second Seed (Day 237)
@wulfren# now has both the gauntlets and the @warhammer of Thorjan Bjorg#. He was really grateful for my @help#.
9 Second Seed (Day 237)
I have offered to kill Kreikan, and @wulfren# has reluctantly accepted my offer.....
-----------------------------
Have you done this quest line yet? I don't know if anything here triggers the return of Erik, just looking for anything that may explain his absence.
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Posted by: Rex Little
Post Posted: 12 Jul 2010 11:38 pm Post subject:
Here's the journal entries which summarize what I've done:
15 Mid Year (Day 305)
Hellena was so grateful that I had managed to @rescue Erik# from the @prison#, and to show her appreciation, she gave me an exquisite robe.
15 Mid Year (Day 305)
It was truly a @pleasure# to see Erik's happiness when he met his wife again. This couple are obviously very fond of each other. I hope they will have a long and happy @life# together.
17 Mid Year (Day 307)
@wulfren# now has both the gauntlets and the @warhammer of Thorjan Bjorg#. He was really grateful for my @help#.
17 Mid Year (Day 307)
I have @offer#ed to kill Kreikan, and @wulfren# has reluctantly accepted @my offer#. He told me about a @secret passage# between the Master bedroom in the @castle# and the throne @room#. I should be able to @sneak# up behind Kreikan and kill him. Possibly, one of the maids has a @key# to the Master bedroom. @laurenna# will know more about this. Also, @wulfren# thinks that I should wait until Ragnar goes hunting. Trying to kill Kreikan while he is around is probably an impossible @task#.
27 Mid Year (Day 317)
@laurenna# wants me to forward a @note to Kielreen#, to make sure that Kielreen tells her aunt Gwenn when Ragnar and his @men# will leave the @castle#. When they are away on their hunting tour, we might get the chance to use the @secret passage# to reach the Throne @room# and kill Kreikan. @laurenna# insists on following me on this @mission#. The maid Agnete has a @key# to the Master Bedroom, with its door to the @secret passage#. @laurenna# believes she might be able to persuade Agnete to give her the @key#.
27 Mid Year (Day 317)
I have given the @note to Kielreen#, and she has promised to follow @laurenna#'s instructions, that is, forward a @message# to her aunt Gwenn in the brewery, so we will know when Ragnar and his @men# go hunting. @laurenna# has also warned Kielreen to stay away from the Throne @room# while Ragnar and his @men# are away...
27 Mid Year (Day 317)
Kielreen has given me a @message# from @sigrid#... I @guess# I'd better read it.
27 Mid Year (Day 317)
@laurenna# was alarmed when she found out that her @mother# intended to marry Ragnar in order to rescue @wulfren#. As @wulfren# will always be the rightful ruler of Lokken as long as he is alive, @laurenna# doesn't believe that Ragnar will fulfil his promise and remove the @curse# from @wulfren # after the wedding ceremony.Something has to be done immediately!
1 Sun's Height (Day 321)
Kreikan is dead! Which should mean that @wulfren# will regain his human shape and sooner or later show up at @laurenna#'s cottage.
1 Sun's Height (Day 321)
@laurenna#'s @mother# is now in safety in @laurenna#'s cottage. She was very grateful to have been rescued.
2 Sun's Height (Day 322)
@laurenna# has completely disappeared! @wulfren# thinks that she might have been grabbed by Ragnar's @men#, who have used a teleport item to take her to the @castle#. We must rescue her immediately!
2 Sun's Height (Day 322)
@wulfren# was really happy about the @amulets# of levitation and shadow that I gave to him.
2 Sun's Height (Day 322)
Ragnar is dead! Now I must find the @key# to the cell where @laurenna# is kept @prison#er.
2 Sun's Height (Day 322)
@wulfren# is now the @rightful chieftain# of Lokken. Well, maybe not yet... First, he has to prove that he didn't kill his @father#. But, more importantly: we have to rescue @laurenna#
2 Sun's Height (Day 322)
@laurenna# was truly grateful that Ragnar is dead and that she is now safe. She thinks that @the guards# will cause no @fur#ther @problem#, as they weren't truly loyal to Ragnar (except for @the guards# in the Throne @room# and in the south east tower). @wulfren# is now chieftain - or he will be, once he has cleared his name of the @death# of his @father#.
2 Sun's Height (Day 322)
@wulfren# believes there was someone who witnessed @the murder# of his @father# and @who can help# him to clear his name. He wants me to ask around in the village, and suggests that I start in the Main Hall. The person I'm looking for is grey-haired, and @wulfren# doesn't remember seeing his face before or after the incident.
2 Sun's Height (Day 322)
Ingrid at the Main Hall gave me a note from Fiona Klang. She wants me to go over to her @house# as soon as possible, as Erik wants to @talk# to me before he and Hellena leave for @dagon Fel#.
That's it. I don't have the entry about getting a scroll from Erik, because I can't find Erik at or around Fiona Klang's house, which is why I posted in the first place.
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Posted by: jgf
Post Posted: 13 Jul 2010 07:38 am Post subject:
We seem to have done all the same things. I suspect one of those well known Morrowind glitches prevented the script from producing Erik; and you are correct in being wary of using PlaceAtPC to summon him, you never know what repercussions that could have. On the other hand this is the last interaction with Erik, so it may be safe.
Lacking better advice from Emma, my best suggestion would be to first backtrack and talk to everyone again and see if that jars the system into running the script (it's worked for me in similar situations). Be sure to explore all conversation topics. If Erik still refuses to make an appearance, backup your most recent save (so you have a restore point), and use PlaceAtPC.
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Posted by: Rex Little
Post Posted: 13 Jul 2010 09:16 am Post subject:
OK, thanks. I'll try that.
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Posted by: Emma
Post Posted: 17 Jul 2010 11:19 am Post subject:
Have you checked if the game has somehow resetted so that he is back in his prison cell again? Else he definitely should be together with his wife.
If you don't find him there, I'm pretty sure it should be safe to use a PlaceAtPC on him.
(I'm sorry that I haven't replied here earlier... I'm on holiday in the cottage with my daughter.)
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Posted by: jgf
Post Posted: 17 Jul 2010 04:47 pm Post subject:
That sounds like a nice place to be, enjoy your vacation.
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Posted by: MyCat
Post Posted: 18 Jul 2010 06:10 pm Post subject:
Emma, whenever you post nowadays I hear your text in Vilja's voice. Surprised